Is Elizabeth Johnson a sign of the times? Mother of Gabriel Johnson’s jailhouse interview
The Gabriel Johnson case is getting more bizarre by the minute. CBS News 5, KPHO.com, recorded a 4 way interview between Elizabeth Johnson, Tammi & Jack Smith, the couple that attempted to adopt Gabriel, and a reporter.
It was a deja-vu moment. I felt like I should be hearing strains from the theme song to the old Twilight Zone TV series. (“doodoo-doodoo, doodoo-doodoo–well, you get the picture.)
Elizabeth Johnson could be Casey Anthony’s double. Not physically, of course, although both women are attractive, but in her demeanor. Her voice revealed no emotion whatsoever, not even for herself. This woman didn’t even pretend to feign concern over her baby’s fate. And, like Casey, she never once called Gabriel by his name, instead repeatedly referred to him as “that child”.
It was clear by the tone of her voice that she did not feel she was to blame for anything. Logan McQueary, Gabriel’s father, “made” her react the way she did. Logan “ruined her life and pushed her to run away.” SHE didn’t do anything wrong, and she had no clue why everyone was in an uproar about the fact that she first said she killed Gabriel, and later said she gave him to strangers in a park in Texas and had no knowledge of what those strangers did with him.
She insinuated that even though LE and the FBI said she was not cooperating, she had, in fact, cooperated fully. The proof of that was in the fact that she talked to the FBI agents til “3:00 in the morning” for goodness sake! She did not seem to understand why or even how deeply in trouble she is.
A few excerpts from the interview are below. The reporter, apparently not believing what he was hearing, repeatedly asked her if she understood the implications of what she was saying.
Reporter: How can you be sure your baby is alive?
Elizabeth: Uh, because when I left him with these people. I trusted them.
Elizabeth: What do you mean, “why?”
I believed in my heart that they were good people……..
They reached out to me and seemed like they cared.
I met them in San Antonio.
They approached me. I was out alone with the baby at the park. I was upset. I was crying. I’d been approached before in the same situation with Tammi.
Tammi: That’s how we met in– what do you call it– the airport.
Elizabeth said she didn’t understand why giving the baby to the couple in the park was any different than when she gave the baby to Tammi and Jack Smith, who she met in an airport. She was crying both times, and she was approached by the people in the park the same way she was approached by the Smiths’. They wanted to help her She was in distress.(Clear as mud, people!)
The reporter asked Elizabeth if it really made any sense in her own mind for a normal mother to hand over her baby to perfect strangers. She said, “yes”, because she had done it before and was praised for doing it! (referring to when she gave the baby to the Smiths’ although I’m not clear on who it was that was praising her.)
The reporter continued.
Reporter: In other words, you really don’t know if your son is alive or not?
Elizabeth: (after a long pause) Um, I know that he is. I believe that he is.
Elizabeth: I mean, I’m in jail. How could I know anything?
Reporter: Do you understand how serious this is that right now, because you said you killed your son….You are telling us now that you don’t know who has him or where he is. Do you know how serious this looks against you?
Elizabeth: I really don’t. I did the same thing with giving the baby away to Tammi….
Reporter: You REALLY don’t understand?….
Elizabeth: I mean, when you give up your child for adoption you don’t really know where the people live or anything.
The reporter went on to ask why she didn’t just take the baby to a police station or call the Smiths’ to tell them she couldn’t handle it. She replied that she DID think about doing those things, but she was afraid she would be arrested for kidnapping.
Tammi: Who told you that?
Elizabeth: (with a hint of a nervous giggle) Logan.
Tammi: So, basically you were on the ledge and Logan pushed you off?”
Elizabeth went on to say Logan was a terrible person and she didn’t believe he cared. She didn’t want“the child” to be in an ugly custody dispute. He was going to make “the child” miserable and everyone around “the mother–me”, miserable.
Reporter: You really felt like it was alright to give your baby away to perfect strangers?
Elizabeth: I did.
Jack: Long and short of this whole thing. Without the baby–because of what you said, there is no reason for anybody to believe that you haven’t taken the baby’s life. It’s important that you understand. It seems like you are not getting the picture….You understand you will be charged with this?
Elizabeth: Charged with what?
Tammi: For murder.
Reporter: Are you comfortable with the fact you may never see your kid again?
Elizabeth: No, I’m not comfortable with that. But, that’s a decision you make when you give up your child.
Reporter: What do you want them (the people that supposedly have Logan) to know. Should they turn the baby over to the police?
Elizabeth: Um, obviously, yes.
An aside: How did they manage to get this particular interview in the first place? I guess she wasn’t lawyered up yet. And how is it that another seemingly not too bright young woman held out against the seasoned FBI agents that questioned her when she was arrested? They apparently didn’t get anywhere with her since Gabriel is still missing.
There are a lot of questionable things going on in this case. All of the people involved seem a little “off”, but this interview is literally over the top. I don’t get any sense from her conversation that she is mentally impaired. So, is this some kind of hoax? Is she punishing Gabriel’s dad? Is she lying about what happened to the baby as her grandfather has stated publicly? Are Tammi and Jack Smith telling the truth when they say they don’t know what happened to Gabriel? Their respective lie detector tests came back “inconclusive”. Does Elizabeth think this is a game of will, and when Logan gives in to her demand that the Smiths’ adopt Gabriel, he will effectively be crying “uncle”, and then and only then will she produce the baby? Does she, as the police and Gabriel’s father think, know where the baby is and that he is okay? Or, was her original text to Logan the real truth–She killed Gabriel, stuffed him in a diaper bag, and tossed him in a dumpster?
Here’s the bigger question. Is there a new breed of Casey Anthony copycats starting to make their presence known? Is there a whole generation of innocent babies being born that will be exposed to this not so “clear” but very “present” danger?
I don’t believe that people like Elizabeth Johnson, or Casey Anthony, or even a Misty Croslin just happen out of the blue. I believe they have been sending out signals their whole lives–signals that have been patently ignored, swept under the table, or explained away as immaturity by family and friends. The violence they are capable of is grievously underestimated by everyone. How many women like them are out there, slipping under the radar, simmering on a back burner, just waiting for the right trigger–a trigger that will mean the end of a beautiful child’s life and the beginning of an unbearable and unthinkable tragedy for everyone around them? Too many to count, I fear. I’m starting to think this is just the tip of the iceburg, and if that’s the case, God help us all.