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FBI forensic evidence from the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car

October 24, 2008

The FBI has released some of the forensic evidence analyzed from the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car.  Bottom line? No wonder Jose Baez is trying to get this information thrown out.  It’s pretty damning.  Damning enough to convict without a body?  Quite possibly!  Mr. Baez received his copy on the 20th of October.

You can read the documents at the following link:,0,5346622.htmlpage

There is a lot of info and I recommend you read it, but the conclusion, which is what we are all interested in is copied below.  The conclusion from the testing is significant as it states that the total signature of the odor is consistent with human decomposition, and that there was a large concentration of chloroform–much more than is typically present with human decomp.  The reports also show that a hair found in the trunk of the car is consistent with hair found on Caylee Anthony’s hairbrush and also consistent with Casey’s hair sample.  The hair in the trunk shows it came from a dead body.  Obviously Casey is alive and Caylee is missing.  The logical conclusion is that the hair is Casey’s and Caylee is no longer alive. I’ve also included snippets from the documents that jumped out at me.  Something that was not included in these reports was the analysis of the bag that Leonard Padilla said was covered in maggots.

Here is the list of items received for testing.  Looks like they covered all their bases.

The following statement along with the charts below, really struck me.  They had a control sample of decomposition, and compared it to the findings in the trunk.  In every element tested, the trunk contents exceeded the amount tested in the controls.  The charts make it easier to see the significance of the statement below.  I took that to mean that what they found in he trunk was at a level conclusively consistent with human decomposition.  Correct me if I’m wrong on that.

This following little tidbit should lay to rest once and for all the pizza versus dead body controversy.  Not only was no pizza found in the car, the test pizza did NOT develop maggots.

the last clip is significant for what it DOESN’T contain-flouride. This is explained as being consistent with the body of a young child.  The theory being that a toddler wouldn’t have consumed enough flouride in his/her lifetime to be incorporated into his/her tissues.

Powerful stuff. It would be a real shame if Casey’s attorneys manage to get this evidence thrown out of court.  What do you think?

114 Comments leave one →
  1. October 24, 2008 1:13 pm

    Sounds like Nancy Grace is about to be embarrassed by her own scientist! Hope they have got more than that!

  2. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 1:26 pm

    I disagree cj
    I think the evidence from the FBI testing is compelling.

  3. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 1:41 pm

    Mystery; I have had some experience with these terms. I will say, this is why it is not necessary for adults to have flouride. Once we are grown, our body does not absorb it any longer. It is only during our youth that absorption is vital. The fact that it did not show flouride, would be understood given she had only be exposed for 3 years. It builds in our system over time and then peaks off.

  4. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 1:44 pm

    I also know, first hand, that human cells have different characteristics than animal cells. The closest animal to a human’s body structure and make up is the pig. Does anyone remember Casey owning a pig, I mean maybe she walked around the neighborhood on a leash. Good Gravy!

  5. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 1:46 pm

    Anyone who has basic biology knowledge knows that you can determine the difference between human, animal, plant and bacterial cells and DNA.

  6. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 1:50 pm

    I have covered much of this recently in my Anatomy and Physiology class. I have looked at these cells under a microscope. We had to know the differences between them. They did a process of elimination, and deducted it to be human. Sad, but true. I’m with you Mystery. I don’t think they have a snowball’s chance in hell at explaining this away.

  7. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 1:57 pm

    I honestly do not think Casey will ever tell the truth. She will make up a story that she thinks is the most believable, and try to pass it as the truth. When that doesn’t work, she will say she has been a victim of circumstance. And the idea of someone else’s body having been put in that trunk is hysterical. Out of all the cars on that lot, it just had to go into the one with the missing child. I think one would have a better chance at winning the lotto or being struck by lightening.

  8. October 24, 2008 2:01 pm

    What’s with that “unusually large concentration of chloroform” statement?

  9. October 24, 2008 2:06 pm

    FYI…I don’t see anything to the right of this page and I never found the front page either.

  10. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:09 pm

    My God this poor girl has been accused of lying, stealing, forging checks, sleeping around, betraying friends and family, searching for chloriform, having imaginary friends, cheating on boyfriends, losing her daughter, to killing her daughter,and having bodies stuffed in her trunk. If she isn’t guilty, then the only other explaination would be……..she has a black cat stuck up her a$$. Maybe that is where the “odor” comes from???? 🙂

  11. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:10 pm

    Sorry, I just find it all riduculous and a bit humorous. Not the situation of course, just the excuses for what is fact.

  12. October 24, 2008 2:11 pm

    But it states, “COULD be human” not that it IS human decomposition.

  13. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:13 pm

    If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck…….then it’s a duck, isn’t it?

  14. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:14 pm

    They were able to prove it was not animal, that is the major point. Then would it be alien?

  15. October 24, 2008 2:16 pm

    Unless it is a mallard, swan, etc.

  16. October 24, 2008 2:16 pm

    Sorry…forgot the Lol! (is it really needed?)

  17. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:17 pm

    In the scientific field it is called deductive reasoning. They know what is, and what is not.

  18. October 24, 2008 2:18 pm

    It still sounds as if they can’t tell whose hair it is…Casey or Caylee?

  19. October 24, 2008 2:20 pm

    Since the car is ten years old, I’m wondering if Casey didn’t hit her head years ago and leave a chunk of hair/scalp in there.

  20. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:22 pm

    You do not think that the police are not experienced with lying? If they felt there was any truth to Caylee being alive, they would be asking the public to keep watching out for her. They would be making every effort to find her. They have seen it all, and they know better than we do, in what is really going on with Casey.

  21. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:24 pm

    Only if she had died when she did it. The banded on the hair shaft shows the hair was from a dead person. Casey is still walking and talking, so that leaves only one other person, Caylee since she is the one missing.

  22. October 24, 2008 2:25 pm

    Hopefully Tim Miller will find her…this is too much to bear.

  23. October 24, 2008 2:26 pm

    I think if the body isn’t found this could drag on for years! There is too much circumstantial evidence for me; of course, I don’t live in Fla.

  24. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:27 pm

    As I mentioned, the “only” animal that has the closest similarities to humans is a pig………….not a squirrel.

  25. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:28 pm

    I agree with that cj. We all want her found and NOW! 😦

  26. heartcares 2 permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:28 pm

    For-C J Says, do you not think this is a good amount of evidence? Why do you think N G will be embrassed?? Do you
    think that it is too generalized? I think it’s likely some information has been held back from the public & perhaps more evidence of an article found in trunk or back seat, what ever. Also other labs were involved. Have their reports been seen. I was wondering if the fact she left the car open,trunk open, windows down, would be an excuse to blame someone else for depositing something smelly after that date. BUT, I think the fact that KC TELLS & ADMITS, in her own words, to Amy, that
    her (KC”S) car stinks awful, then tells her she got rid of the thing causing the odor. This was found on KC’s OWN text message, so she admits to that odor on that date/ admits the day she got rid of it: The tid bit from FBI said it was deprived of oxygen–so doesn’t this mean she locked her n the trunk–without air, she had to do that herself, as she was the only driver & had keys to her trunk then. That poor baby must have sufferd from this cruel animal–it makes me so sad. WHY???
    Why did she do this? She could have given her a Benedryl to make her sleep, why the trunk & slow death….I wish someone could drag that slut out into dessert & bury her live in ants & scorpions. Then tie her up on post in let her starve to death.
    Something has to be done to these crazy mothers to make an impression so they will think twice before doing these crimes to their God given children. But what??

  27. October 24, 2008 2:29 pm

    How do we get assigned those wacky looking avatars anyway?

  28. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:50 pm

    cj; I wondered the same thing. At least your’s is smiling. Mine is made to make me look mean 😦 Wish I knew how to change it. Anyone have an answer?

  29. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:50 pm

    I am MadMom…………not MeanMom

  30. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 2:51 pm

    cj–try this link. If it works it will take you to the Work Out Room. I left you a message there explaining how to change your avatar, etc. If the link doesn’t work, I’ll repost it here.

  31. MadMom permalink
    October 24, 2008 2:52 pm

    Heartcares; I agree. Stone the bitch to death or something. Anyone who does not have the guts to throw a stone, hand it to me, I’ll throw it for you.

  32. heartcares 2 permalink
    October 24, 2008 3:38 pm

    I wonder if KC’s defence could go like this: I just read on a blog, that smoking pot & cloroform was a method of smoking pot: (Sounds like a death trap to me) so If pot & chloroform make a new drug expierance, then that explains why she had that on her computer , as Tony or some unknown name looked up how to make cloroform(not her). Unknown boyfriend made it & ask her deliver it somewhere for him. Then while driving down the road one of jealous x’s phoned her (on the cell phone she has lost) & said he was gonna find her lying ugly face, & shoot her rotten ass, so she panicked & put Caylee in the trunk for protection & drove around as not to go straight home, just to confuse the shooter, did not realize Caylee could smother, then when discovered her dead, left her there in trunk till she could bring it upon her self to tell parents about Caylee ‘s death. Ran out of gas ,so went back & got Caylee
    body with Tony’s jeep, & gave her a burial until she could bring her self to tell her parents. After that She drove Amy’s car for days. Baez & Cindy are so smug about,”wait till everyone hears the truth,” there has to be a dingaling story of some kind. Also KC is so smug about no one finding poor baby’s body, she thinks it will not be found. This mystery is making me crazy, & I am not working when I should be. I hate thi schild being hurt
    and her getting off. I see Caylees eyes even with the TV off.
    Also is Baez married??? Cause Casey is giving him the big comeon with those google eyes, and she is such a poor damsel in distress & he is hooked—-big time. They flirt like crazy on public TV. She is an evil person & he is a fool.

  33. stephanieb68 permalink
    October 24, 2008 3:58 pm

    I have a 23 yr old daughter and her and her friends have done their share of parties. I realize this chloroform seems to be out there but my daughter had never heard of it. Not with drugs or sex she thought it was crazy. I guess I should be happy about that.

    I do think they have enough with the car and all the other circumstantial evidence which there is a lot, they have her.

  34. stephanieb68 permalink
    October 24, 2008 4:02 pm

    As far as the people saying things about the dogs I watched a case on tv the other day. When they took it to court the took and soaked a rag in beef blood and another in maybe pigs blood. The third rag they put on drop of blood on the rag and then rinsed it. They brought the 3 bags into court and hid them around the room. Then they brought in the dog and told him whatever it is they tell them. The dog went around the room ignoring the beef and pig and went to the bag with the rinsed drop of blood.

  35. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:04 pm

    I don’t think the defense is going to debate that there was human decomposition in the trunk.
    He has reasonable doubt options all over the place…one is this…
    Baez will ask the jury if they are 100% certain that no one else had access to the trunk of the sunfire while it was parked at the amscot and the tow yard.
    To us that sounds silly and lame…but if there is even the tiniest chance that someone could have put something in that trunk…that is reasonable doubt.
    I’m not saying it is impossible for the prosecution to get a conviction…I just hope they have a lot more evidence and finding Caylee’s body will help too.

  36. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 5:14 pm

    MADMOM-some of your comments are a hoot–thanks for making me laugh!

    I posted directions for how to change your avatar at this link. It’s in the second paragraph of my first comment.

    CJ-can’t wait to see your new avatar!

    About the chloroform. I think I read on Monica’s or maybe it was Niecey’s blog that it can be used to make a butter that is used in pot brownies. (somebody refresh my memory?) It can also be used to make meth? My brain is too full–I can’t remember where I read that!

    So anyway, in keeping with the accident theory–they could have been making meth or brownies and transported the chloroform in the trunk. In that scenario, Caylee could have been in her car seat and still have been overcome with fumes.

    Or, more likely, Casey had access to the chloroform for the above reasons, knew enough about it to know that it could be used to knock someone out (she’s supposedly a mystery buff so might have read that in one of her crime novels) but didn’t know enough about it to realize it could easily kill someone. She needed to make Caylee go to sleep, put some on a rag, put Caylee and it in the trunk, and it killed her.

    HEARTCARE-yes, Baez is married! Wonder how his wife is handling his newfound celebrity status?

    I’m with you STEPHANIEB68–Those dogs are so well-trained–they don’t make mistakes.

  37. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:14 pm

    Ok…so there was Chloroform searches on the laptop…is there proof that she looked it up?…Maybe Tony or one of her other MANY boyfriends looked it up….
    She looked up missing children sites?…Maybe she was reading something about Melinda and Trenton Duckett and it had a link to a missing children site…

    Now we all know what she was most likely doing…but Baez will try to make a jury see it a different way….and unless there is proof that she planned to get rid of Caylee…there is reasonable doubt again…

  38. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:16 pm

    This is what I posted on my blog about Chloroform….

    I have done a lot of thinking about the Chloroform and since it is now being said that she may have been trying to make it…I think my earlier thought could be possible. Have a look….

    This is an article about how to make Pot Butter…Guess what is used to make it…Chloroform!

    Do you know what Pot Butter is used to make?…Remember what her friend Amy said?

    It is also used to make Hash oil

    I don’t know much about Meth…but my friend who is a nurse said Chloroform is commonly found in Meth labs.
    And if she was on Meth…that would definately explain how she could kill Caylee.

    I have often wondered if something may have happened to Caylee while she was high.
    Maybe Caylee fell down the steps at the apartments and Casey was too stoned to react…Maybe Caylee found the pot brownies and ate enough to over dose?…there are so many options with that kind of theory….Maybe Caylee found the Chloroform and spilled it on herself or drank it…I am told it smells sweet.
    I have never really believe that Casey had been using the chloroform to knock Caylee out while she partied…because it only lasts a few minutes at a time and I doubt she went out every 10-15 minutes to give her more…Now she may have used it once and gave her too much.

    anyway…I may be way off but, it is something to think about.

  39. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:20 pm

    Of course I had also never thought about someone soaking a rag in chloroform and locking their child in a trunk…yep that would kill.

    Oh man I really DON’T like Casey!!!

  40. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 5:24 pm

    Monica–for some reason I was required to approve your last comment. Odd.

    Remember that the tests show there was an unusually high amount of chloroform in the trunk of her car. Haven’t seen anywhere that any of her friends or boyfriends were driving her car for any reason. It may have been an accident, but the chloroform was there–and apparently so was Caylee.

  41. October 24, 2008 5:27 pm

    I think its a shame that this woman thinks everyone is blind to her lies, her parents should her stopped her, but she learned from them.

  42. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 5:29 pm

    I do, too, obmoondog. I don’t think her parents are really blind to her lies–I think it’s always just been easier to overlook them than to deal with them.

  43. October 24, 2008 5:33 pm

    that is what wrong with American, we got stop overlooking bad habits.

  44. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:38 pm

    Oh I know…but just because we haven’t heard about them driving her car…doesn’t mean that they didn’t have access.

    Don’t get me wrong…I could never be on the jury…I would be ready to convict her the first day.

    The thing is…the chloroform may have nothing to do with Caylee…there are theories…but nothing absolute about how she was killed….or where and even though we have a pretty good idea…we are not even 100% certain when.

  45. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:40 pm

    Obmoondog…bad habits are not against the law….if they were I would have been locked up years ago.

  46. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 5:48 pm

    I agree that the chloroform may have nothing to do with Caylee. It could have, but it could also have been INDIRECTLY responsible for what happened to Caylee.

    The chloroform could have been in the trunk for another reason–they were making meth or whatever and they were moving it from one location to another. Caylee could have even been in her car seat and from what I understand, could have still inhaled the fumes if the chloroform was not stored correctly ie a glass container.

  47. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 5:54 pm

    Also…the chloroform search may be the answer as to why all those “escort service’ popped up on her computer too…As I am learning Chloroform is used for sex fetishes.

  48. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 5:59 pm

    Really? As much as I’d like to know how that would work, I ain’t askin’–no way, no how!

  49. Phiona permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:04 pm

    I agree that individually with the car sitting at Amscot unattended and then towed, and stored at the tow yard that that ALONE could create reasonable doubt with a jury BUT along with everything else starting with the fact that this young lady let her child with an “abductor” for 31 days without reporting it–and even then it was her mother that reported it–there is a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence against her that the defense cannot explain away. “She was afraid for her child’s well being” is not going to cut it. I have been watching cases for years and mountains of circumstantial evidence does and has put criminals away for life behind bars. I have faith that 12 adults will do the right thing and bring justice for Caylee Marie.

  50. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:12 pm

    Definitely Phiona…I am also hoping and feel they probably have much stronger evidence that they are not sharing with the public.

  51. heartcares 2 permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:25 pm

    wow, us older folks are getting an education, from the slut puppy KC, seems she knows all the lows & highs:
    Cloroform & pot brownings—what??? And Meth????
    Cloroform & sex fetish—OMG
    What site is that on—I am just kidding.
    It is not right to be praying for poor Caylee & looking up porn at the same time–my prayers to find her are more important.

    But can you guys visualize N.G. getting explanations from her
    guest about those things:
    Would be
    1.” the old Cheece & Chong” ( just a pun, I think one died & other a nice guy & a good actor
    2.”Joe’ the Meth head”(not plumber)
    3.” Nancy Does Washington DC”
    Are what is that granny’s name that explains sex to people.
    N.G. would be frustrated. Anyway KC is not the shy type, just watching her with that girl @Fusion makes me sick…. so I do not want to imagine her capabilities.

  52. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:31 pm

    Oh I’m telling ya heartcares…not just Casey…girls just and very different these days…well not all of course…there are some very good young people.
    Nit it just seem like so many are doing things that makes us shudder.
    Go just do a stroll of my space…look for girls around Casey age…you will find site after site of partying hoochie momma’s

  53. Phiona permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:33 pm

    I can’t believe how this case has been playing out. I have been a “true crime” junkie since I read in a newspaper about a state execution in Texas when I was 9 years old. This case is very different in that she reminds me of say, Scott Peterson–cunning and believing his own lies. Casey is not budging at all. What is so scary to me is her mind works like a serial killer. I do believe that she researched missing childrens sites and chloriform “recipes” to mishandle her child in some way. The fact that she not only lied to the police but went out of her way to change names of people and where they lived etc. makes me think she is cold and calculating. I believe that once in the hallway of Universal Studios, she actually thought the detectives might say “Ok Miss Anthony we have seen everything we need to here, we believe you let’s leave”. She ONLY came clean when faced with the fact that they were not leaving. I think she knows damn well that they aren’t close and she will only talk, maybe, when and if Caylee’s remains are found. If I were Baez, I would be very concerned about what lies ahead in trial.

  54. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:33 pm

    Um…my typing skills are even worse today than normal…My daughter was kind enough to give me her cold…I taught her to share…but this is ridiculous 😆
    But seriously…the cold medicine is making me a little goofy tonight.

  55. October 24, 2008 6:38 pm

    I agree Monica…Casey doesn’t even stand out among the many party animals.

    Unfortunately, her lifestyle has become more the focus than Caylee…What’s worse is they are blaming the entire family!

  56. Phiona permalink
    October 24, 2008 6:42 pm

    Has anyone heard anything more on the two new eyewitnesses that saw a woman with a shovel and bag being loaded into her trunk?

  57. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 6:48 pm

    I’m with ya, on that one Phiona–Baez hasn’t seen anything yet–or the new guy, whatever his name was. I think she has Jose as snowed as she had her mother.

    I’m not even sure she’ll confess if they find Caylee’s body.

  58. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 24, 2008 6:49 pm

    No, I haven’t.

  59. October 24, 2008 7:04 pm

    Heathcare…that’s a good theory but they’d have to be in the trunk a really long time to smother…I know because that’s how we dealt with a drunk uncle at a family reunion once;of course, he didn’t smother…sobered up a bit though. Lol! (reunions are quite rowdy for us)

  60. stephanieb68 permalink
    October 24, 2008 7:17 pm

    You know the defense as they are doing right now on NG always spin reasonable doubt. There are doing it on the hair. Don’t know how to spell his name and I adore Koby even if he is on the defense. I think until the trial is over he shouldn’t appear anymore on NG. Anyhow I am coping and pasting what reasonable doubt is. It really isn’t difficult. There has been people found guilty on much less then the circumstantial evidence.

    As far as the smell and the car being in the parking lot then the tow yard. They have Casey texting people about the smell.

    REASONABLE DOUBT – The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

    Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.

  61. October 24, 2008 7:22 pm

    its not a pizza, anybody watching N.G.

  62. October 24, 2008 7:28 pm

    My three yr. girl is 1 month older than Caylee, I pray for her and hold my Emma tight. I pray they find her.

  63. Jeff permalink
    October 24, 2008 7:32 pm

    Kill her, no mercy. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

  64. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:28 pm

    Casey may not be talking, but her actions speak volumes!!!

  65. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:29 pm

    If she had never lied to police from the start of this whole mess, people may be more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. This is why you never call wolf.

  66. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:30 pm

    cry wolf 🙂 sorry, my brain and fingers are working seperately tonight.

  67. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:35 pm

    Ladies, I had to change my name for whatever reason in order to set up an account. I am now friendlymom instead of madmom. Hi and how is everyone tonight? Monica, sorry to hear you are under the weather. Hope you get well soon. If I lived close to you, I’d bring you some homemade chicken soup. It’s my specialty.

  68. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:37 pm

    Mystery, thanks for showing us how to change our account. I like this picture much better than the little monster. It fits me better. 🙂

  69. monica111466 permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:38 pm

    Ahh friendlymom suits you much better…love your lil angel.

  70. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:39 pm

    Thank you sweetie

  71. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:40 pm

    My little granddaughter came over tonight dressed as a pumpkin. She has a cold too, but I still had to kiss her face. I’ll probably pay for it, but I will take my chances. I can’t pass up the sugar.

  72. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:43 pm

    We took the two younger kids out for trick or treating. When I returned, there was an Amber Alert for our area. A 7 year old boy was taken by someone driving a white SUV. I hope they find him. God it’s getting more frightening every day.

  73. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:47 pm

    It always amazing me how some kids run the neighborhood, never being checked on. My younger kids have to check in every hour, or they get grounded, and they are not allowed to go far from home. And they had better be right where they say they are going to be. I check too.

  74. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:50 pm

    I live in a wonderful neighborhood, and we all watch over the kids in our neighborhood. Many kids on our block are close in age. (baby to age 12 is about the average ages). Mine are 21 (one her own) 16, 13, and 9.

  75. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 10:51 pm

    on her own, wow my typing is bad tonight. Monica you’re contagious. lol

  76. friendlymom permalink
    October 24, 2008 11:11 pm

    I must be behind. Who is this pastor I’m hearing about? Anyone know?

  77. Kari permalink
    October 25, 2008 11:45 am

    Thanks, Mystery, for a good forum.

    Personally, I wouldn’t call the zillion-to-one chance that someone put a dead body in the trunk at the towyard, and later removed it, a ‘reasonable doubt’.

    If that’s the defense’s theory, I’m not worried.

    But, I do agree that we do not yet have proof as to what really happened, pre-meditated murder, accident, Casey alone, or maybe with a boyfriend…

    One piece of evidence that strikes me as crucial is the statement (on another blog) that forensics says the trunk was cleaned. If so, we need to know when? Did one of the family clean it 7/15 before they actually knew it was evidence???

    Because if it was supposedly cleaned prior to that date, well, Casey must have had an accomplice, because I don’t see her cleaning it out. But would the smell have persisted in that case?? Surely we’re just talking, family trying to get rid of horrible smell. Lee even said they had the doors open like they were trying to air it out…

  78. October 25, 2008 12:06 pm

    What I would like to know is where all the hairs are coming from?

  79. stephanieb68 permalink
    October 25, 2008 12:42 pm

    The Anthony’s cleaned the car out earlier after bringing it home from the tow yard. At least the nieghbors said they were cleaning the car out. I beleive that all was on the 15th.

  80. monica111466 permalink
    October 25, 2008 12:49 pm

    Yes, the smell would have persisted…I wish we knew exactly how long she was left in the trunk…I’ve heard 2.6…yeah I know I’m not sure whats up with the .6
    all the way up to 11 days…I can tell you if that baby was in that trunk for 11 days…that smell isn’t going anywhere….I don’t even really believe she was in there that long because there is no way Casey could have stood the smell…and everywhere she went…that smell would have been with her…
    Before she left it at the amscot…parking at Tony’s apartment…people would have been standing out there saying “dear God what is that smell!”
    She would not have been able to stop at a gas station. Not only that…anytime she got out of that car and walked into a store or the apartment…the smell would have been on her clothes and hair….Also when Tony picked her up at the amscot…he would have smelled it on her too.

    Orlando weather is pretty much like it is here in SE Texas…the summer heat is brutal!…It would have sped the decomposition up greatly….so after 11 days….YUCK…I am sorry to be gross…but she would have been like soup….or as Leonard says 30 pounds of Stew.

  81. monica111466 permalink
    October 25, 2008 1:00 pm

    Let me just add another point about the type of person Casey must be…

    I’m sure every one here has had a relative die…As much as you love your relative..would you be able to deal with their decomposing body and then go out to a club and smile and have fun? Any NORMAL human being would have been a basket case just witnessing all of this first hand.
    This in my opinion is a seriously ill young woman…

    I am going to do blog later about another man we have just learned about Casey dating…and guess what…he is ANOTHER former police officer…And it has been discovered that a 3 person Casey knows was killed in a car accident…I am beginning to wonder if any of the were accidents.

  82. VeniceMentor permalink
    October 25, 2008 1:25 pm

    I wonder if the reason so many of you have tried to make excuses for Casey has to do with the way she “looks”. People couldn’t believe that the notorious Bundy could have murdered all those girls (45+) because he was so handsome. I wonder if she could have come this far if she looked like a “dog” and was from a different “culture?” People are easily deceived by someone who “looks good” and lies really well. Remember folks, this woman’s child was gone for over a month and if no other family members had asked about her, how long could it have been before it was discovered she was gone? I think Casey’s mother’s initial instincts, where she said the inside of her daughters car smelled like it had a “dead body” in it, was right on. She may not have realized in hind sight that her instinct was right on and now she is trying to back pedal, because she knows her daughters capacity to do something as awful as the murder of her grandchild. Casey’s parents have a lot to worry about as it seems they have a sociopath for a daughter. Get real folks!

  83. territ permalink
    October 25, 2008 1:35 pm

    I’ve been following this case from the very beginning. I can’t recall which report stated back in July, that inside the car trunk there are tiny fingernail scratches on the inside hood of the trunk. So that now explains that Caylee was placed in the trunk alive, and was trying to claw her way out.
    This story is so sad. Casey deserves the death sentence!!!

  84. clairvoyant permalink
    October 25, 2008 2:04 pm

    1. Party girl with child
    2. Does not want to pay for sitter
    3. Uses chloroform as “babysitter” and puts child in trunk for no other reason as to the fact that she knows exactly where the child is while she is “out and about”.
    4. Uses too much chloroform one night and child dies
    5. Leaves child in trunk until she decides what to do with body
    6. Eventually puts decomposing body in dumpster (very small package) After all, how many times do you read in missing children cases and this has been done.
    7. Body of child in land fill and will never be found – NEVER!
    This is all too tragic as this small child did not ask to be born and especially to have this woman as her mother.

  85. monica111466 permalink
    October 25, 2008 2:33 pm

    I don’t know clairvoyant…In my gut I feel she is somewhere that Casey could go back and check on her and well visit with her…

  86. monica111466 permalink
    October 25, 2008 2:39 pm

    I think that is why Casey moved her …probably a few times…so she could find the perfect place where she and Caylee would be alone.
    She could visit Caylee when Casey wanted to and not when she was told to…
    Casey took her away from Cindy….I don’t know why but that is what I have felt since the beginning.

  87. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 25, 2008 3:23 pm

    Are you starting to think that maybe Casey was set up? I just don’t think so. Yes, the smell would have been following her around, which is really weird that no one said anything–or maybe they did, and that’s why she came up with the story about the dead squirrels–and her friends all bought it. And why wouldn’t they? No one questioned her explanation of where Caylee was.

    As far as her dating policeman. There may be something there, but it could also be as simple as she liked guys in a uniform, or she liked dating cops. I’ve known girls that only dated guys in the military for example.

    If Casey were involved in some big crime ring, she would have been like a minnow in a koi pond. It seems to me they would have just killed her if she accidentally found something out or was involved in something someone wanted to make sure she didn’t talk about. From what we know about her she would have been that insignificant. Girls like Casey are a dime a dozen and completely expendable in that world. Why steal her child and risk exactly what happened—the entire country is focused on Caylee.

    The more I find out the more I really believe (as you said earlier) Casey is seriously mentally ill–and with that I wonder if she didn’t do it intentionally–you’re right. how could anyone watch the body of someone they knew–let alone loved rot before their eyes. Makes me ill just thinking about it.

  88. monica111466 permalink
    October 25, 2008 4:38 pm

    No I don’t think she was set up…I no longer believe Caylee’s death was an accident…and I am beginning to think the car accidents …were not accidents.

  89. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 25, 2008 6:24 pm

    What do you mean? You think Casey had something to do with the car accidents or someone else did and also killed Caylee? Still not sure why Caylee would be killed instead of Casey. And why Casey would be behaving the way she is.

  90. stephanieb68 permalink
    October 25, 2008 6:54 pm

    I have only heard of one accident. That was the boy she had gone to school with. I don’t believe she came out and said he was the father but, it was implied. When you say you went to school with the father and he died last year in an accident. It is not hard to figure out who he is. Which my heart really went out to his family. The the thought they may have a grandchild out there that would be a part of the son they lost.

    That is the only accident I have heard of.

  91. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 25, 2008 7:09 pm

    yes, me too. I didn’t realize there were 3. Monica, are you sure?

  92. Caseviewer permalink
    October 25, 2008 10:28 pm

    I’ve been checking out the audios of the interviews of witnesses, including George Anthony. He sounded quite up front w/police when interviewed, including commenting he was being “honest,” he didn’t like the smell of the (Casey’s) car. His words did nothing to withdraw suspicion from Casey. He mentioned it is hard living with “three women” and he referred to Cindy as “a strong woman.” Then, on the Today show the other day, it was like he cannot express these things and is onthe hotseat next to Cindy who seemed to be hawk-eyeing him as he spoke, stating they believed Caylee is alive. Psycho-Cindy did most of the talking, and I think she’s so far out there, I have little respect for the woman–I wonder what kind of mother she was to Casey. It seems she has this need to portray a charade about Caylee being alive. Is it so they’ll get money? Perhaps reality would’nt be as profitable. Can anyone agree that George seems under Cindy’s thumb to align himself w/her? He needs to break free and tell what he really thinks.

  93. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 25, 2008 10:46 pm

    Yes, I think George is between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t want to lose his whole family. The body language between George and Cindy on the Today show was the first thing I noticed. They looked miles apart–and by their faces I would bet they had been arguing.

    I can’t imagine why they have continued with their belief that Caylee is alive. They read the FBI reports on the 20th. They know what we know yet they continue to say she isn’t dead. Perhaps they can’t handle the horror of the truth and continuing to have hope their granddaughter isn’t dead and their daughter didn’t kill her is the only way they can go on. The truth is just too much to handle.

  94. friendly mom permalink
    October 25, 2008 11:12 pm

    Hello Mystery 🙂 How are you tonight?

  95. monica111466 permalink
    October 26, 2008 12:12 am

    Yes…I’m sure…The third police officer’s name is Adam
    ADAM- last name unknown- Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.

    Car Accident ‘s…1st Jesus Ortiz (not Caylee’s Father) 2 Eric James Baker (said to be caylee’s father according to Cindy) 3rd is a guy named Brandon Roghelia / She also dated a Brandon Snow…this is a different guy…Roghelia was killed in car accident…Brandon Snow is the one she claimed she has a miscarriage by….

  96. caj33 permalink
    October 26, 2008 12:22 am

    You know Monica…if Casey cheated with all Grund’s friends, I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t go after her father’s friends as well.

  97. monica111466 permalink
    October 26, 2008 12:36 am

    we’re all trying to figure out who this guy is too…

    Here she is in action..I hope the link works

  98. monica111466 permalink
    October 26, 2008 12:43 am

    Have y’all seen Jesus Ortiz?…In my opinion Caylee looks like him.
    Casey’s friend Kiomarie claimed that Casey told her that she wasn’t allowed in the house because her mom (cindy) didn’t like Mexicans…
    Jesus is Mexican and if what Kiomarie said is true then in my opinion that would be reason for them to not tell Jesus about Kaylee…
    Then again…Jesus ortiz may not be caylee’s father…maybe it really is Eric.

  99. Candy permalink
    October 26, 2008 2:04 am

    I don’t see anything mysterious about this case. I’ve read the evidence, watched it on the news, and it all points to Casey. The Anthony family and their lawyers can create all the reasonable doubt they want, but given the evidence, I’d say Casey did the most heinous, hateful and callous thing a mother could ever do, and that is she murdered her own child. If it were an accident, then why put the child’s body in the trunk and drive around with it, for perhaps days. When I saw the lack of emotion on Casey’s face, regarding Caylee’s disappearance, the images of Casey smiling in court and even laughing, I knew this could not be a normal mother. Casey must be a sociopath. Is it possible to kill your own child and not have any disorder of any kind? I can’t imagine who could do such a thing and still be normal or sane. Susan Smith murdered her 2 little boys by drowning and tried to blame it on someone else too. Just like other cases – OJ & Scott Peterson, the defense will try to create reasonable doubt. Casey is entitled to a fair trial. Personally, I think she’s as guilty as sin. I agree with what someone else stated – Casey will never admit what happened. It’s possible too that they may never find little Caylee’s body. This could result in a lesser sentence for Casey. If she does manage to avoid a life sentence, I hope she never has the opportunity to bring another unwanted child into the world again.

  100. October 26, 2008 8:26 am

    Monica…I looked at the photos…I think that person you are referring to is Corey….note the skin tone which is similar to Casey’s and the hairline-height difference may be the same, hard to tell since she is sitting on his lap.

    The costume for Halloween may say more about her ‘mysterious occupation’ than Halloween. ACE/8???

  101. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 26, 2008 11:44 am


    The defense and Cindy have been trying to establish reasonable doubt by any means possible. I think it’s been working to an extent. Not that hard to convince someone when no one can even imagine in their worst nightmares that a mother could really be this cold and calculating.

    I agree she is a sociopath on the same level as OJ and Scott Peterson. Not sure about Susan Smith actually being one. She became very remorseful and was unable to continue with her lies. If my memory serves me (which doesn’t happen very often!) she broke within days. She was capable of feeling guilt and remorse. A sociopath wouldn’t have been capable of that emotion.

  102. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 26, 2008 11:53 am

    Thanks for the link. I went back through all my photos and couldn’t find anyone that remotely looked like that guy.

    If there was some conspiracy or if it was gang related, I still say, she would not have behaved that perfectly. NO ONE, not one of her friends suspected a thing. Who do you know that could act as if nothing were wrong if their child went missing–I couldn’t do it for one day let alone 31. I would have at the very least told my parents.

    Which points me back to she is a true sociopath and maybe also mentally ill considering she was carrying around the corpse of her baby in the trunk of her car. Remember, she explained the smell to her friends as 2 dead squirrels. (didn’t know squirrels would follow each other up into the engine of a car–thought they were loners) Again, like accepting her explanation for the disappearance of her daughter from their lives, her buds believed her. Probably even made jokes about the odor.

    If someone else was involved it was an accomplice to try and help HER cover it up. I hope there was because unless that person is a sociopath as well, he/she will eventually tell someone and hopefully that someone will come forward.

    I know there are a lot of strange coincidences surrounding this case, but none that couldn’t be explained?

  103. October 26, 2008 11:58 am

    mystery…squirrels are definitely not loners! Heck, in my neck of the woods, I’ve seen them shimmy up a pole, one holding on firmly while the other crawls down its back, and both hook tails to rob a bird feeder.l

  104. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 26, 2008 12:00 pm

    Okay, I guess I have seen squirrels hang out, too, now that I think of it!

  105. monica111466 permalink
    October 26, 2008 12:39 pm

    I couldn’t even begin to count how many squirrels are in my yard everyday….I have feeders full of corn so they wuv me.

  106. October 26, 2008 4:19 pm

    You should see what they’ve don to my deck…glad I have cats now!

  107. Candy permalink
    October 26, 2008 6:42 pm

    It’s a mystery: I believe you’re right. Susan Smith did have some emothional problems which may have been caused by her father or stepfather. She said he sexually abused her as a child. Anyway, I agree that Casey’s is probably a sociopath.

    Speaking of squirrels, my husband scolded me today. I’ve been tossing out walnuts and peanuts to the little imps for the last week or so. Our planters on the front porch were dug up where they tried to bury the peanuts. Dirt was all over the porch, lol! My husband didn’t think it was so funny. I have to agree. They can be very destructive. Still think they’re cute though, and love to watch them raid the neighbor’s birdfeeders. My neighbor has about 10 feeders in his tree!!

    Not that it’s impossible, but I don’t believe Casey’s squirrel theory, either. Is Casey still claiming Zaneida Gonzalez was the last person she saw Caylee with? That is horrible to implicate a woman who never even met the anthony’s or Caylee. I’m just wondering, is Casey still sticking to that story?

  108. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 26, 2008 7:37 pm

    Who knows what she’s told Baez. He says that when they go to court and are able to tell their story, everyone will say, “Oh, I understand now. I understand why she did what she did.” Very cryptic, and bull IMO.

  109. monica111466 permalink
    October 26, 2008 9:14 pm

    I think it is bull too…if they have something that would explain everything …then why in the world would she keep it quiet.

  110. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 26, 2008 9:43 pm

    She wouldn’t–not that I can see. Really irks me when Baez and the Anthonys’ speak so cryptically. Like it’s a soap opera –stay tuned folks! or a game they’re playing. It’s none of those things and it’s certainly not about Casey and her lies. It’s about a missing child and if Baez knows the truth, he should find a way to end this.
    I wonder if he doesn’t succeed in getting the trunk evidence thrown out if he will try for a plea bargain.

  111. heartcares 2 permalink
    October 27, 2008 12:08 am

    Have you heard anything more on Paul K. Do you think he is for real? Or did he do it for attention? Or a reward? Or is he a decoy planted by defense to throw off Equasearch or investigations of the real areas? I hope he is for real & LE is keeping him out of the lime light as a surprise. A subcidary program of google Earth, Google Globe, shows there are timed cameras on B.C. road (possible satelite) & one shot I saw did show a smaller white car off the road in that area. Did anyone see this? I do not have a time & date because I do not know how to get all program functions to work. I will try to find it again, if you kno wwhat I mean & what I saw , please let me know sight. Also what if accomplish is a “girlfriend” as she spoke of several she really liked & hinting in by-sexual undertones in her text mesages. She might trust a girl more than a man, because she can feel total contol over a girl not as sharp & conniving as she is.
    Maybe we get more details Monday from NG. I wish ES
    and LP would get back sooner before it starts to rain for fall season. Prayers to all you guys on a Sunday night.

  112. itsamysterytome permalink*
    October 27, 2008 6:02 pm

    heartcares –I haven’t heard anhy more about Paul K. Also haven’t heard anything about the satelite showing her car in that area.

  113. April 19, 2011 4:21 pm

    the DNA difference between human and animal is obvious, no one can argue with that

  114. Cara Vancleeve permalink
    May 11, 2011 8:46 am

    Powerful evidence. The pizza, in particular.

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