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Can Baez succeed in removing the prosecution from Casey Anthony’s case?

January 27, 2009

A new motion was filed late Tuesday by Joe Baez the defense attorney for Casey Anthony who is accused of murdering her daughter Caylee Anthony.

Baez wants a judge to remove state prosecutors form the case. In fact he wants the Attorney Generals office to take over prosecution of the case completely.

In an ‘Emergency Motion to Recuse’ Baez accuses the state attorney’s office of filing complaints against him with the Florida Bar Association. Baez claims they are impeding his client’s right to consul of her choice. (huh??)

Because of that Baez wants to remove state prosecutors from the case and have the Attorney Generals office take over the case.(HUHHH????)

The motions filed late Tuesday joins other motions filed earlier in the day by the defense team. Among them is one that asks the judge to rescind the order to make Casey be at every court hearing.

Baez said to force Casey to appear “only fuels the circus like atmosphere which paints the defendant in a negative light.”

Baez also claims that following court appearances the media is too focused on Casey’s appearance. Baez wrote that the appearance’s  “have generated unsubstantiated rumors regarding the defendants physical condition.” and “have generated unsubstantiated rumors regarding the defendants physical condition.”

Baez said the constant negative exposure takes away Casey’s right’s to due process., a fair trial, and her ability to find an impartial jury.

Monday Casey Anthony signed a paper waiving her right to appear at Friday’s pretrial discovery motion.
The problem is Friday’s court date is for a motions hearing where a judge will be making decisions directly related to her case.

It is unknown  if Judge Stan Strickland will rule on any of the new motions before or during that hearing.

read it here:


Good grief I hope Baez doesn’t succeed in having the prosecutors removed!  IMO he’s the one they need to get rid of.Nancy Grace said tonight that there’s no way that will happen–I hope she’s right.

115 Comments leave one →
  1. niecey456 permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:23 pm

    It won’t happen! I don’t believe the guy could remove contact lenses from his eyes. I’m sick of his costing all of us good tax paying citizens of the State of Florida sooo much money for him to file ridiculous motions and act like an idiot!

  2. topcat08 permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:46 pm

    Mystery, there is no way that happens. Baez will do anything and everything he can to make it look like he is a victim. Just like he did the other day playing the race card. The whole world is against me. Niecey he sure is spending your tax dollars!!!!

  3. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 27, 2009 9:48 pm

    Sounds like he’s taken a line from Casey’s book. Talk about two peas in a pod.

  4. niecey456 permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:49 pm

    I know and I can’t stand it!!! I agree with you Top Cat, it’s just a game.

  5. niecey456 permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:50 pm

    They are just alike Mystery. He is a sad statement for our justice system.

  6. topcat08 permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:57 pm

    Hey this could be one of those prison weddings!!

  7. ostella permalink
    January 27, 2009 9:58 pm

    Niecey, LOL!
    Contacts from his eyes! Luv it…

    No, there’s no way it’ll happen.

  8. niecey456 permalink
    January 27, 2009 10:15 pm

    Top Cat, I don’t think he’s figured out how to do divorces yet. He’s married.
    Ostella, I know it’s funny, but check out his website. Nothing works.
    Not one of the links on it works.

  9. trensota permalink
    January 27, 2009 11:13 pm

    Niecey, that was a funny one! (about not having learned divorces yet)

  10. ostella permalink
    January 27, 2009 11:47 pm

    And what does Tweedle Baez mean by “unsubstantiated rumors about her physical condition?” I have two eyes and common sense. I can look at that piece of filth and say “she looks like a dirty, fugly ho.” There. Rumor substantiated. A true observation about her physical appearance. And besides, why wouldn’t she wanna take an active role in her court proceedings if she’s so excited to prove her innocence to the world? Is she really so fat and lazy that she won’t leave her feedbag long enough to waddle her dimpled ass to court?

  11. nellfire permalink
    January 28, 2009 12:23 am

    I think he was alluding to the rumors that she was pregnant, because she seems to have gained some weight. Must be the snacks she orders all the time, plus the three meals a day provided by niecey’s tax dollars:)

  12. Boston permalink
    January 28, 2009 7:25 am

    Had Casey Anthony told her attorney the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth this case would have been resolved months ago. Because she is a malignant SOB she has exposed how she has treated her parents, friends and family. Where are all of those people now? Most are suffering and one is in a mental health facility. No friends. No family.

    She has a newfound family. Some like her, others hate her and still others are making a living, losing their reputations and some are making a break into the “big time”. Sociopaths have a way of dealing with people ; they don’t know whether they are coming or going but they are attached to her and are slowing becoming part of her world.

    Does Jose really believe her or is he just doing what she says? He has to think independently (not, outside the box) and come to his own conclusions. If she says, “Blame someone else”….. He will have to take that on and attempt to present an argument or a theory.

    It would appear to me that he knows how to handle her. She would have gotten rid of him months ago-he’s a lot more clever than anyone in the media is saying. Ithink to have stayed so long with this person is a testament to his sheer grit-he wants tehe fame, he wants the future money he can make and he wants to be a “talking head” when another sociopath comes along.
    For a guy that everyone says hasn’t got the experience he most certainly has a lot of confidence in his own ability. I would say that for every distraction and insult he is the one who comes up smelling like a rose most of the times.

    He appears to be sensitive towards his client but I think underneath all that he is out for his own career -name recognition means a lot. Work product sometimes means nothing. Geragos had one lousy client and that never ruined his career or his reputation.

  13. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 28, 2009 8:20 am

    Nellfire—–Hellfire and damnation! Lord, I hope she’s not pregnant. What would happen to the child if she is and is proved guilty of murdering Caylee? Would the Anthonys get the baby? I would imagine so. Let’s hope ostella is right and she’s just gettin’ fat on all those prison carbs.

    Boston, When I saw this I thought to myself, Baez is smart like a fox. (is that the right saying??) He’s sneaky and underhanded and 100% out for Jose Baez. And, he’s managed to hold onto his job–You’re right–He hasn’t crossed KC yet, or he would be gone. He’s learned to work her system.

    There must be some other reason he’s filing all these motions–most of which all the talking heads say could not possibly be granted. I don’t think anyone has said there is a chance in hell that he could have the prosecution removed. He must know that, too–so why? He also knows that his flimsy reasons for not having KC in the courtroom won’t fly–so why?? Like niecey said–he’s wasting her tax dollars.

  14. robin permalink
    January 28, 2009 10:53 am

    So much of the defense and the Anthony’s tactics are trying to find a loop hole or misconduct of LE. Where is there story? They really do not talk a lot about this Zenaida. I never heard them make a plea to her. The Anthony’s do not seem angry and scream out justice for Zenaida supposedly doing this since Caylee’s remains were found. To me if they all really believed the nanny story, they would be trying to seek answers and go find her. They are so concentrated on getting Casey off for this. To me if they went and found their killer like they believe, that would get Casey off. I just do not buy that they believe Casey is innocent. I believe they are trying to get her to get away with murder. How can in one instance they love Caylee so much and in another free the murderer. They must of forgave her and excuse her just like all the other crimes she did (stealing).

  15. niecey456 permalink
    January 28, 2009 11:12 am

    Thanks Kari!
    Boston, My Friend, You have a great concept of who Jose Baez (Bozo) really is!!! I agree that is exactly who he is.
    Mystery, I want a refund from these people. You think we could file a motion?????

  16. Paul in PG BC permalink
    January 28, 2009 11:22 am

    The judge gotta muzzle this goofball,or out rite remove him.She wants to get fat and ugly,when they beat her when she gets to prison,it will be an extreme make over.

  17. nellfire permalink
    January 28, 2009 11:53 am

    We’ll have to wait and see Mystery. That’s a lie she can’t hide, although she hid it for 7 months with Caylee. I think it’s just the snacks, and the fact that she’s getting less (shall we say) exercise now. Definitely less “exercise”.

    Sorry about those tax dollars girls:) At least she has to pay for her spicy Doritos with the money the public (and George) put into her personal account.

  18. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 28, 2009 12:07 pm

    100% correct, robin. Why haven’t they been searching high and low for Zanny the Nanny? Isn’t that who they hold responsible for this? They have never appealed to the kidnappers publicly–they’ve never made an appeal to anyone–only demands.

    The only motion I’m filing is that they declare them all guilty-of insanity.

    Paul–I think Judge Strickland may be pretty rough on Baez Friday.

    Hopefully you’re right about KC, nellfire. She doesn’t deserve to have another baby.

  19. Boston permalink
    January 28, 2009 12:37 pm

    mystery, nice456-(snowing in Bsoton so I am home today)Nellfire, Robin, et al: Ya know what? This is all theatre. They just have to create a tsunami of chaos in order to deflect and defame. Always raising a doubt as to innocence or guilt will surely be something that they have all thought would be helpful. Nellfire asks if Casey didn’t do it than who did? Even all of us are speculating or at least have one brain cell left to think about other possibilities. That’s what a good con does.

    I think that with this kind of a client the lawyer gets a taste of celebrity and decides he likes it and while he digests that sweet morsel, he is faced with the enormity of the situation. Trying to blame others during the time of pretrial (now) he can sway the public and bring on some real tears for all the crap he has had to take.

    He has a lot of ego and he’s just not going to sit back and take it. Winning means more to him than the truth. He knows the truth and he will summon all his intellectual prowess to get the job done.

    There was a lawyer who had to defend some football player and knowing the odds were against him he pulled out all the stops. On the day of opening statements or before the jury left for deliberations, a big time NFL star walked into the courtroom and went over to the defense and shook hands with the defendant.

    He was acquitted. Is this right? No. Is it illegal? t No. Is it theatre? Yes.

  20. niecey456 permalink
    January 28, 2009 12:57 pm

    It’s a shame our justice system has been reduced to this. It wouldn’t happen for the average person.
    I do think they are all insane, and greedy!

  21. ostella permalink
    January 28, 2009 2:54 pm

    Everytime Baez tries to market a new sideshow, I just think of the quote, “If you can’t convince everyone with facts, then dazzle them with distractions.”
    I honestly cannot shake the feeling that something really big is about to come out. Sadly, I too think its about Caylee’s paternity. I don’t think jewelery sent George over the edge. I think he’s in duck and cover mode; wanted to be catatonic in a psych ward when the big one hits…I just wish it would happen already…

  22. motherclucker permalink
    January 28, 2009 6:19 pm

    Round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel….good grief! What next?

  23. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 8:20 am

    I honestly think the big one has come and gone. Casey murdered her daughter. This case is moving along and the evidence is building up as well as the the continual flow of distractions.

    If Lee is the natural father Casey would still be where she is . Incest with someone with the same parent (sounds and is redundant) than it would be a third degree felony in Florida.

    I can see Jose running with this as a defense (she killed the child as a result of fear and hopelessness-her parents were going to keep it a secret and she was scared for life…I should think about this a little more) but at any rate it would be a reason why she killed and not something that would keep her out of prison.

    It could certainly be a mitigating factor and one which would move the jury to take a second look at motive.

    I think they may very soon put the Death Penalty back on the table. Enter from stage right-the Dream Team.

  24. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 8:21 am

    “scarred” for life

  25. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 9:42 am

    There is no way that Judge Strickland, or any other Judge for that matter, would remove the Prosecutors from the case. Jose Baez is doing whatever he can do to circumvent evidence from being accepted by a future jury and that too won’t work. If anything, the Judge may saction Baez for wasting the courts time by filing a multitude of Motions that, by the very nature of their content, are and can be seen as being frivilous.

  26. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 10:04 am

    I think you may be right Boston. The death penalty may well be put back on the table. If the information coming out from People magazine is correct, and the Winnie the Pooh blanket and the little toy horse, can be tied directly back to the house, (we don’t yet know about the heart stickers and we don’t know yet if fingerprints or DNA were found on the duct tape.) it could and perhaps should be the sentence they seek.

    Instead of filing all these motions, Baez should be talking frankly with his client about what her chances might be if the death penalty is sought.
    She might want to start talking.

    I agree paralegalbeagle1. Judge Strickland seems like a no nonsense kinda guy. He will throw this out–and I hope he also holds firm in making Casey Anthony show up for all of her attorneys motions.

  27. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 10:21 am

    Itsamysteryto me, The death penalty will, in all likelihood, be put back on the table if in fact the connect between the Pooh blanket/toy horse can be tied to the home but it has to be a direct tie.

    Baez is running around in circles and behaving like a gerbil on a wheel. Going nowhere. His attempts at “appearing” competent as counsel has been futile in many respects.

    Judge Strickland is a no nonsense person and he made it clear in his last ruling that he does not want to give Casey Anthony any grounds for saying (later on) that she was not aware of the proceedings and he is doing all he can to limit the potential of an Appeal at a later date.

    Baez states that he believes his client and that shows me that he’s not as experienced as he would like us to think. I don’t know of one defense attorney who, with all the evidence that has been presented, would (or could) believe his/her client. The evidence against her is too solid and the Prosecutors, if they are smart which I truly believe they are, will ask for sanctions against Baez. He is wasting the courts time and the motions that he is filing are in fact considered to be repetitive and frivilous considering that they were addressed in past Hearings.

    I agree that he should be talking to his client about confessing and helping herself but if he did that, the book deals would stop coming and he would not be helping himself and helping himself is his top priority right now. He is hampering his client more than anything else.

    Considering that the Prosecution offered her a deal earlier on in the case and she refused, there is no way that they will put a deal back on the table and now it’s a matter of letting the chips fall where they may.

  28. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 10:41 am

    Thanks, pb1 for the info. I would have to say, though, that if Casey confessed, Baez would still get book deals. Casey’s story would sell books no matter what the outcome, and Baez will still have an inside tack.

  29. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 10:53 am

    If Baez gets a book deal, he’s going to have to answer to the FL Bar since he’s sworn up and down that he doesn’t have one and that he has no plans of entering into such a deal. If Casey is found guilty, which she will be, book deals are out the window for her and if Zenaida Gonzalez wins her lawsuit – which I hope she will – then she can claim the proceeds of the book to satisfy the judgment against Casey. This entire situation, IMHO, boils down to one person and one person alone. Cindy. I am not a fan of Casey Anthony but anything and everything that she did and is capable of, stems from the way that she was brought up and the fact that Cindy, knowing long ago that her daughter was more than “troubled” never got her the care and the therapy that she needed. Cindy has a lot of regrets and raising two children void of morals is one of them.

  30. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 11:02 am

    Ostella-Go to the most recent news coming out of the Anthony case. There is a motion submitted relative to paternity. Who is included and who’s not and DNA reports, etc. I didn’t read the whole thing but I assume it can be read-I just didn’t click on the reference. I thought it would be better for me to return to nicey456 and state that you were thinking in the right direction. I am totally surprised. I told DetWil months ago that if paternity was an issue than I might as well learn to bowl.

  31. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 11:16 am

    Boston, I realize that you didn’t address this to me but … Baez is going to “try” to shift the blame from Casey to anyone he can and what he is doing by requesting DNA evidence pertaining to Jesse Grund is his way of implicating Jesse and taking the onus off of his client. Casey, if you recall in the earliest jail house tapes, told her mother than she believed Jesse was the one who took Caylee and Cindy, Casey and the rest of the yahoo’s from Orlando, are going to attempt to place the smallest seeds of doubt and again, try to pin this on Jesse Grund. Start learning how to bowl as paternity is, and will be an issue but not where Jesse is concerned. Right now LE has requested (in one of the docs filed last week there was a note) to “test Lee Anthony’s DNA in reference to Caylee”. LE is on the right trail as I see it as there is no way that the individual that Casey named as being the father, is the father. You’d have more luck doing DNA tests on the entire Police Department in Orlando as Casey knows the vast majority of them, intimately.

  32. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 11:18 am

    The DNA motion is linked in my latest post–hit “Home Page” at the top of this post.

  33. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 11:19 am

    One more thought. I believe that George was the only one in the dark. Casey, Cindy and Lee all know and knew what the deal was right from the beginning and once LE files charges against Lee, which they will do as evidenced by the lack of a subpoena, there will be more grass that hits the wall than can be picked up after mowing a golf course. Lee is in this up to his eyeballs and Cindy is trying everything that she can to keep her two precious offsprings out of jail so that her demeted idea of a white picket fence family will continue, at least in her mind.

  34. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 11:32 am

    The request is for “a copy of the DNA parentage report as set forth in discovery page 3240 which was in the possession of the Orange County Sheriff’s Dept. as a result of a search of the Anthony home in July 2008.”

  35. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 11:34 am

    pg1–I think George was in the dark–in the fact that he didn’t know about Cindy and Lee’s involvement. I think he was aware that Caylee was probably dead.

  36. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 11:37 am

    itsamystery – I couldn’t agree with you more. He knew she was dead and as even he himself said, “once you smell that, you never forget it”.

  37. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 11:51 am

    itsamystery – the trial date should be set tomorrow. If Baez does want the trial moved because he believes he cannot get an impartial jury then he will still be in the same position no matter where he goes in the State of Florida. I honestly believe she’ll be found guilty – even if the trial were held in Russia.

  38. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 11:56 am

    I do too. It will be interesting to see if whatever date they set holds. All the experts seem to think this trial won’t happen until well into 2010.

  39. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 12:01 pm

    It depends on whether or not they get a change of venue. Personally, I don’t think that it’s going to be that close. There’s too much discovery that needs to be over with and Baez is going to – IMO – stall this long enough so that he can (a) come up with some other scenarios; or (b) give the public a chance to forget about Casey and let another high profile case that comes up take its place in the forefront. I think that things will begin to move along really quickly when and once Lee Anthony is charged. I think he’ll sing like a bevy of canaries as if he was put into the prison population, he’d been done like dinner.

  40. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 12:58 pm

    paralegal-How the paternity of this case bears any relevance was always been a mystery to me. Of course testing Lee and finding out that he is in fact the father let’s say, would in my opinion, lead to a fairly good defense (I didn’t formulate one but wrote something above which was a beginning). Okay.

    Would a reasonable person assume that because he knew he was the father, knew that the child was murdered by his sister cause him to act in ways which further complicated the apprehension of the killer by tampering with evidence or commiting some illegal act after the fact? To the best of my knowledge and the reports and interviews I read would reveal nothing relative to paternity. Why would they? No one asked. No one assumed he was the father of the victim. Surely the father of the victim would have acted differently-even if he knew the consequences of his behavior (incest) would be damming. Satistically how could you get two murderers in the same room fand from the same family? It appears very odd to me.

    If he is not the father of Caylee he could still remain loyal to his sister and tamper with evidence and commit crimes like obstruction as well as those after the fact. Would the defense go with the idea that once Casey lost her cool and killed the child that it was up to Lee to continue saying nothing while looking like a concerned Uncle? A devoted brother? All the while covering up for her and possibly throwing evidence away,etc.

    If he is the father of this child than he could be charged under Fl law. Why would he compound his involvement any further by obstructing, tampering etc. Wouldn’t you think he would have sought legal assistance long before any rumors started to spin about paternity?

    From all accounts he is a responsible young guy, has a responsible position and has been going out with Mallory for some time now.

    Sociopaths are often times sexual thrill seekers and in their quest for true feelings will over the course of time have multible partners. Casey was an empty vessel and she looked to others for emotional attachment, support and perhaps to fill the void she felt. If she and Lee were experimenting than I would assume that it was going on for some time and that no one was aware of her behavior as she was considered promiscuous outside the home. I believe it was Lee who had to tell both parents that he knew a lot about what Casey was up to when she “went to work”.

    I must say that it is hard for me to believe that Lee is the father but I am always open to new and interesting theories.

    Paralegal-stay on this blog and inform us about your thoughts and ideas as well as your explanations relative to the legal juggling act that we are privy to.

  41. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 1:00 pm

    paragraph 2-I said two murderers-I meant one and then an accessory. One commited the crime and the other a/a.

  42. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 29, 2009 1:38 pm

    I’m not sure the paternity of the father would have anything at all to do with the murder of Caylee by her mother. IF and that would be a big IF, Lee were the father and he knew he was the father, Casey might blackmail him into helping her–Help me or I’ll reveal what was going on between us—but I just don’t buy that.

    Of course, I would never have believed that Caylee would be found between the Hernan Gonzales abandoned house and Fernanda’s house. There are so many coincidences in this case that it’s hard to believe they are in fact coincidences. So I guess anything is possible.

    IMO, only Lee or George being the father would be relevant–and might provide some sort of motive as to why they would assist Casey in a cover up.

    pg1 I hope you do stick around. You are very informative.

  43. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 2:00 pm

    The paternity has a big bearing on it. If Lee was/is the father of Caylee then it would be easy for the Prosecution to show that the two of them together may well have conspired. You may think it may well lead to a “good defense” but I don’t think it will lead to anything other than showing that the “secret codes” etc between Casey and Lee show a direct link to complicity between the two of them to not only kill her but to get rid of the body or move it. Which by the way is the concensus of late.

    It would come as no surprise that Lee, assuming tht he is the father and assuming that he was aware of what happened and continued to protect Casey, would act in ways which further complicated the prosecution of his sister as frankly speaking, when Casey was arrested, the killer was apprehended. There is also no doubt in my mind that he is guilty of tampering with evidence and OJ. While no one has asked whether or not he was the father, I can promise you that this is one thing that LE is investigating and may well believe.

    Satistically having two murderers in the same family is not that odd.

    You said – “Would the defense go with the idea that once Casey lost her cool and killed the child that it was up to Lee to continue saying nothing while looking like a concerned Uncle? A devoted brother? All the while covering up for her and possibly throwing evidence away,etc” and my answer to that is YES, YES, YES!!!!

    Even if he is the father what could he be charged for? Incest? Not likely.

    I don’t think he retained counsel before any of this pooh hit the fan as just as his sister is, he felt and again, this is my opinion, that they are above the law and smarter than LE which is NOT the case.

    I would not believe any of the accounts gleaned from the Anthony family that is “a responsible young guy, has a responsible position and has been going out with Mallory for some time now”. There are many people who are responsible, hold down high positions, have families and are later charged and found guilty of heinous crimes against others. Just being responsible and having a job and a wife or a girlfriend does not make someone murder-proof!

    Whatever Lee is “into” you can be sure that it has to be something of substance as if not, he would not be facing charges now and while I’m at it, if he were not the father of Caylee, then he would have VOLUNTARILY given a DNA sample and as it stands, the only sample that he gave was under the order of a Subpoena.

  44. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 2:05 pm

    itsamystery – George is the only one here who is walking around with hands that haven’t been muddied. He is the only one in this family that I have any sympathy for and as for Casey, well, she and her mother have one thing in common. They both lie well and have perfected their ability to do so. This was just released as well.

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 – updated: 2:54 pm EST January 29, 2009

    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Judge Stan Strickland overruled a motion Thursday afternoon filed by Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, to keep her out of court. The judge’s ruling means Casey will have to appear at a pretrial hearing Friday at 8:30am.

    JUDGE’S RULING: Read Judge’s Order On Motion
    JAIL VISITATIONS: Casey Anthony Visitation Log
    LATEST MOTIONS: Corrections Department | DNA Evidence
    VIDEO REPORT: Two Motions Filed
    WATCH LIVE: Court Hearing Friday At 8:30AM

    “Being duly advised in the premises, the defendant’s Notice of Objection is overruled, and the defendant will be required to appear at each and every court hearing with the exception of those matters previously noted,” Judge Stan Strickland wrote in an order issued Thursday afternoon (read order).

  45. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 2:07 pm

    Casey Anthony Ordered To Appear At Hearings
    Judge Strickland Overrules Anthony’s Objection To Appearing At Hearings

    POSTED: 2:23 pm EST January 29, 2009
    UPDATED: 2:52 pm EST January 29, 2009

    Despite efforts by her defense, Casey Anthony will be required to appear in court for future scheduled hearings.

    An Orange County overruled Thursday the motion filed by Jose Baez, Anthony’s attorney.

    Anthony signed a waiver earlier this attempting to waive her right to attend court hearings.

  46. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 2:09 pm

    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) — Casey Anthony will be present for a motion hearing on Friday as a judge rules on several motions filed by her defense team.

    The hearing will be heard by Circuit Judge Stan Strickland at 8:30 a.m. at the Orange County Court House.

    On Thursday afternoon Judge Stan Strickland issued a ruling that she is to appear in court. Her attorney, Jose Baez, had filed a motion requesting that his client not be required to attend the pretrial hearing.

    The motions include the defendant’s motion to inspect crime scene, defendant’s amended application for subpeona duces tecum and the defense’s request that the State Attorney’s Office’s be recused from the case.

    READ: Motion to inspect crime scene
    READ: Amended application for subpeona deuces tecum

    The trial status regarding a trial date will also be discussed during the hearing.

    FOX 35 will air the motion hearing LIVE beginning at 8:30 a.m. The hearing will also be streamed on

  47. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 3:18 pm

    I thought I would post this as it shows, or at least given some indication as to what Jose Baez is attempting to do and I do stress the word ATTEMPTING. As you’ll note, the State has also filed a Motion to have the witness list that was provided by Baez stricken.

    The fact that he is seeking to gain information regarding Jesse Grund, is most likely that he is going to try to give the jury enough evidence, or what he considers to be evidence, that Jesse was in fact the father, that the DNA tests that proved that he wasn’t were incorrect and as Cindy said due to Casey’s remarks to her, Jesse was Zany (and if you believe that then there is some swamp land in Florida that is a real bargain and you should jump on it before someone else does).

    Friday morning’s hearing will cover several topics and motions. Judge Stan Strickland will address the trial date status, the defense motion to inspect the crime scene, the defense amended application for subpoena duces tecum (requires a witness to bring to court or to a deposition any relevant documents under the witness’s control), the state of Florida motion to strike defense witness list and the defense’s emergency motion to recuse.

    Attorney Jose Baez also requested (read motion) all fingerprint-related evidence, any DNA reports that show Casey’s former fiancee Jesse Grund was not Caylee’s father, and materials regarding the decomposing hair found in Casey’s trunk. Now ruling has been made on that motion.

  48. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 3:32 pm

    Paralegal-I believe that Casey Anthony acted alone and with malice aforethought. I don’t believe Lee knew anything about it nor do I believe he was the father of this child. Having said that I want to say that I truly apprerciate your take on what the prosecution will do. I always look at the DA in terms of the science and wonder outloud what the defense will do to deflect it. What will be their theory? Who will be ruined as a result of all of this and who will crack and tell what they know.

    I have always thought that Casey will take down anyone that will help her stay alive. She will blame Lee and Lee will fall on the sword for her. George if it ever came to that would misrepresent the facts on the stand and say that he sexually molested Casey. At the end of the day these will only be mitigating circumstances/”facts” but it will not change the outcomes only possibly the length of time in prison. The charge stands. Felony Murder.

    I am not surprised that Jose presented this motion but I am wondering where does he think he is going with this motion? He is acting on behalf of Casey and all she does is feel the warm and cozy feel of a lie. What in the name of due process is he affording her if she is his only source? Can he say in light of all the evidence that seeking Caylee’s paternity is meaningful?

    When it turns out that Lee was the misguided brother will that help his client? Will he be forced to tell the truth while tying the noose around his sister’s neck? What will Jose have gained? He should not be listening to his client tell him lies. He needs to have her tell him the truth.

  49. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 4:33 pm

    Boston, I don’t Lee was the father of this child either.

    I agree with you in every respect that Casey will take down anyone that will help her stay not only alive, but out of jail. She’ll blame Lee and anyone else that she can, if she can and if she has her way, Lee won’t be the only one who will have the potential of falling directly on top of the sword for her. I don’t think George will lie and I believe that he may be the only one in that family who has the ability and the integrity to take her down.

    Remember too that a jury has the right to recommend what they believe to be an appropriate sentence and at the end of the day, the only mitigating circumstances that will be looked at and judged, will be the ones that are born of honesty and truth.

    I’m not surprised that Jose presented this Motion nor will I be surprised at the next one that he files and I belive that he’s doing what he has to do in order to be able to reach one potential juror and lay that seed of reasonable doubt

    Where do I think he’s going with this? No where other than to irritate the Judge and the court for frivilous Motions.

    All that he is affording her is the benefit of his inexperience and if she is his only client, then she will not be paving the way for him to earn distinction within the anals of Florida legal history.

    The only way that Baez will have to take a back seat to it all is if the DP were on the table as he does not have enough experience to defend anyone on a death penalty case. State law.

    I believe that Lee will cooperate with LE in order to save his own scrawny soul and that LE will put enough pressure on him that he’ll have to.

    The only thing that Jose has to do, by which he will gain, is a not guilty verdict for his client. Anything other than that is gravy.

    I’m sure he either knows the truth or senses it but regardless of whether he knows it or not, he has a duty to uphold and that duty is to give her the best representation that he has to give.

    Besides that, I also think he likes the publicity and has visions of himself being the next Clarence Darrow.

  50. Boston permalink
    January 29, 2009 6:40 pm

    para, and others-This is a hearty discussion and one I have read and reread today. I can’t disagree with you because you have a certain insight and a certainty to your writing. I know we can all come to these ideas and share them openly and it is tough to say what could come down as a result of these motions.

    Strickland is first class and I like his style. Jose has Kenny-Badan at his hip and I would think he is checking in with her at some point. Imagine teaching a course in teh law to third year students while at the office awaits the defense of one of the most hated clients anyone could have.What in the name of pete is this man thinking? Maybe he needs the money.

    Why he would want to go after Jesse is beyond me. Mystery stated what we all know – 9 months is nine months and he met her in January while he was working at Kodak or was that Universal. At any rate he was smitten but not stupid and resolved the paternity question during the first 90 days after Caylee’s birth. He openly admits that he loved the child and would have adopted her had the engagement lead to marriage.

    Couldn’t LE have gotten a sample of DNA from Lee as a result of fixing the familial link to the family/vicitm? Caylee’s DNA was stored as a result of the paternity test taken in 2005-they also have blood samples on record at the birthing hospital. Wouldn’t you think that if they wanted DNA it would be to match it up with evidence found at the scene or elsewhere?

    I agree Para that they were secretive and more lovey dovey than most sisters and brothers but could this be a way they get information out of Casey-telling her how wronged she is;telling her she’s the boss, basically treating her like a child?No one ever asked her the tough questions and I’m sure this did not go unnoticed in the DAs office. They don’t ask because they already know the answer.

    I think Lee helped her because he was a fool. Used bad judgement and probably told his lawyer exactly what he did.

  51. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 29, 2009 6:56 pm

    The only reason that I believe Jose would want to go after Jesse, or anyone else for that matter, is because that’s his job. His job is to divert attention away from his client and to wag his finger at anyone and everyone else no matter how ridiculous or how way out it may be to just get that ONE juror who has a .0001% doubt in their minds.

    I agree that Jesse was smitten and also smart enough to have that DNA test done! I believe in my heart that he will always love Caylee and that no matter how many children he may have in the future, to him, Caylee will always be his first. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t her biological father which I know you’ll agree with. Love is what makes a parent and not genes.

    Couldn’t LE have gotten a sample of DNA from As for Lee’s DNA, in order for it to be admissable in Court, they need a sample. To say that they “got it around the house” would easily be argued and thrown out.

    I think that they were all afraid of Casey and that she has a way of ruling the roost and she learned that from her mother. You say that “No one ever asked her the tough questions” when in reality, the Police did and she refused to answer, she refused to say a word and she refused to help and that says a lot. LE asked and asked and asked and all that she did was lie and lie and lie.

    I also think Lee is a complete and absolute fool. I believe that while he may not have been Caylee’s father, that he did have something to do with misleading the Police and that he did tamper with evidence. His attorney wouldn’t be blabbing as much as he is if nothing was coming down the pipes.

    I hope that tomorrow morning a lot of this gets settled and that there are some answers that will be provided. To everyone.

  52. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 6:45 am

    Para-I don’t think the parents ever asked any probative questions relative to the whereabouts of Caylee. They walked gently around the theory of Zanny and Jesse but spent more time distracting the public on possible sightings. LE asked and answered many of their own questions.

    I just read a press release relative to what Mark Furhman’s theory about what happened. I really like Mark but he hasn’t gotten off fist base yet. He persists in his theory that it was an accident. He isn’t taking in the criminal mind or the mind of the killer. Or any of the evidence. Oh, well.

    If Jose just has what Casey is telling him and thus directing this pretrial fiasco than I think it is slowly crumpling beneath him. If Jose only had the evidence (docs, forensics)that the public has he would have to come to some theory and that theory would include his client. If she does not help him resolve the conflicts so that he can defend her than she is digging her own grave.

    Why in the name of god would he not plead out? Why would he say almost 6 months after the disappearance that Caylee is alive? I’ve said it over and over, this man needs someone who will come to his aid in his time of need.

    He needs to rehabilitate his client and work hard towards getting a form of the truth he can bend, twist and spin into something that would allow a shadow of hope to emerge.

    It’s hard to whittle away at the truth but one thing she has in her favor is her dysfunctional family and years of being under their thumb;abused and neglected after Caylee’s birth. Of course I don’t believe any of that but it is at least a starting point to make her more human and less the ice queen. (You get my drift)

  53. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 8:07 am

    Boston, to each his/her own and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You seem, from your thoughts over the past 24 hrs., to believe that he can “make” his client do anything, including taking a plea deal. He can neither rehabilitate his client nor can he bend, twist or spin what he wants to bend, twist or spin nor can he do anything that his client does not approve of.

    As for your drift and getting it, I’m sorry but in my thoughts and my opinions, this woman is the coldest and most callous individual that I’ve ever had th displeasure of seeing.

    It is my personal opinion that the only way that this woman would be found not guilty would be if the jury was made up of apes and even then, they would most likely find her guilty. This woman is, in my mind and in my thoughts, a pathological liar, a sick, sick person who has no regard for anyone or anything but herself and someone who I honestly hope spends the rest of her life behind bars. You cannot rehabilitate someone like Casey Anthony and as for the motion to recuse, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

  54. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 8:43 am

    para-I understand all that you are saying. I am simply stating that if Jose was to do his job and attempt to present a defense he would have to have the truth. I have never ever thought for a moment that he can make his client do anything. It is clear to all that she is not helping him formulate a defense that anyone could buy into. He has a job to do. Having said that it doesn’t mean that I want her to be found innocent. I’m just saying that from a defense standpoint she deserves one and that without one she will dig her own grave.

    I agree wholeheartedly that she has an abandoned heart and a motherload of narcissism but still under the constitution is entitled to a defense.

    Rehabilitate her in terms of her appearances in court. Everyone knows it is impossible to remediate her sociopathy but it can be muted somewhat if he cousels her in the importance of the basics: Look like you are concerned about the death of your child: Don’t demand I submit motions recusing you from appearing in court.
    Don’t give the appearance that you are separated from this event.

    The facts are what they are and if he couldn’t see a way to offer his client some hope based on what he knew and his experience than I think he should have recused himself. Kenny Badan should appear at some point. She bends, twists and spins a lot. and if that’s what it takes than bring it on. Don’t waste your time throwing off the DAs.

    A good discussion is civilized and if I have said anything that would make you angry, I apologize. It was never my intent.

  55. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 30, 2009 9:37 am

    Hi Boston–Well, I think Baez did exactly what you were suggesting he needed to do. Casey sat in her conservative gray business suit with her hair pulled back–someone gave her a pad and pen and she pretended to be writting pertinent information down…..Unfortunately, he couldn’t change her lying eyes (wasn’t that a line in a song??)– cold and empty.

  56. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 10:00 am

    Hi Mystery-I didn’t see anything but the Fox Report. She was sitting in a chair and it lasted no more than 20 seconds. I saw that she had her hair pulled back and was looking more serious and less lovey dovey with Jose. I saw Kenny Badan sitting or standing beside her. Other than that I know nothing. I am glad she had a pencil and paper and was engaged. I went to Local and saw the report about the early morning release and drive to the courthouse. It was kind of dramatic even though there was no one moving in the background. I am sure that as the morning goes on we will learn about the motions and when the trial date will be set. Like I said ages ago I think it could be 2010. Jose will want to get his motion for a change of venue that he’s been talking about for months. That will take time as I think it will take the form of a marketing campaign.
    I can’t wait to see her in her conservative gray business suit!!!Good job Jose! Her hair did get long enough to pull back. Poor pathetic person that she is-it’s still the saddest case I have ever followed. She’s such a bad,bad person.

  57. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 10:12 am

    One point about the eyes. They are so fixed. So direct so piercing in a way, yet so not there.

    I remember seeing Scott Peterson with that direct, emotionless eyes as well. I didn’t follow the BTK case but saw him on the TV and when he told the family of the victims that, “Your sister didn’t suffer” comment his eyes were blank. The eyes just shaped his face but had no meaning. It’s hard to write about such emptiness.
    Lyin’ eyes is good.

    Just imagine living in her body. Some people are described as tall, some are short, fat, thin, old, young and oh by the say here comes a LIAR.

  58. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 10:17 am

    Boston – You didn’t make me angry, Casey Anthony is making me sick!

    Baez, in all liklihood, knows the truth and the best defense that he can give her is to point the finger, lay doubt and focus the jury on the possibilitity that someone else did the dirty.

    Yes, I agree, she deserves a defense but I honestly don’t think that even if the angels fell out of sky right now, they could help her. The hole that she dug for herself is so deep and constricting by the day.

    Again, you are correct. Under the Constitution she has a right to a defense and she’s getting one from Baez. All that he needs to do in order to do his job is to convince a jury that there is a .00001% chance that someone else did it and he’s done what he has to.

    Rehabilitate her in terms of her appearance would mean that he would have to wipe the smirk off her face, get her to laugh and smile less and learn how to do something she never has. To cry for her own child and release emotions that she clearly is void of.

    Kenney-Baden is excellent and one of the best and yes, she spins like a top but gets the job done.

    Here’s what I would like to see: less Motions based on conjecture and speculation and more time and energy being invested into cooperation between the State and Baez in order to arrive at some form of Plea agreement whereby Casey Anthony will be incarcerated, Caylee will have a proper burial and most of all, lady justice will be served.

  59. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 10:20 am

    Boston, if I look into her eyes I see only one thing. A vacancy sign. There is nothing there, no thought, no feelings and no empathy for her own daughter or parents. If Baez was going to try to humanize his client then he needed to tell her to wipe that smirk off her face and not sit there smiling and laughing as if she was attending a comedy roast.

  60. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 30, 2009 12:08 pm

    2010 is correct—the prosecution suggested it would be toward the end of the year before the date could be set–and by saying that they suggested a change of venue may not be necessary–

    pg1–question for you. Perhaps a stupid one. Can a person be on both the prosecution AND defense witness list?

  61. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 12:44 pm

    Mystery – The answer is yes. Here’s something that perhaps will help explain the way that it works and I would presume that the party named as a witness for both the defense and the prosecution would be a family member, like Cindy Anthony. Hope this is of some enlightenment:

    The general rule is that anyone who is competent can be compelled (forced) to give evidence in a criminal or civil case. You are considered to be a competent witness if you are capable of giving admissible or allowable evidence in a court. In civil proceedings the court may give anonymity to a witness where the witness has a medical condition and being identified as having that condition would cause undue stress to the witness.

    There are a number of circumstances, however, where you cannot be forced to attend and give evidence.

    The accused

    If you are the accused in a criminal case you do not have to give evidence in your own defence. If you decide not to give evidence in the case, that fact cannot be commented upon by the prosecution to the jury.

    If you do opt to give evidence in your trial, you may then be cross-examined by the prosecution and you cannot refuse to answer any question on the grounds that it may incriminate you. However, the prosecution may not ask you questions about your previous bad character unless you have:

    Introduced evidence of your own good character or
    Questioned the character of any prosecution witness or
    Given evidence in your own defence against a co-accused
    You cannot be forced to give evidence by the prosecution in their efforts to convict you. You also cannot be compelled to give evidence against a co-accused where you are both being tried in the same proceedings. However, if the prosecution refuses to offer any evidence against you and you are acquitted, then you can be compelled to testify against a co-accused.

    The spouse of the accused
    Under Part 4 of the Criminal Evidence Act 1992, if you are the spouse of the accused you are competent to give evidence for either the defence or the prosecution (unless you happen to be a co-accused). However, you may only be compelled or forced to testify for the prosecution against the accused if:

    The offence in question is of violence or the threat of violence to you, your child or the accused’s child, or a person under 17 (includes an adopted child)
    The offence is a sexual offence in relation to your child, the accused’s child or a person under 17 (includes an adopted child)
    The offence consists of attempting or conspiring to commit or of aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or inciting commission of either of the above two offences
    Former spouses of the accused
    A former spouse is a person who has either got a decree of divorce or judicial separation or who has a separation agreement with the accused. If you are a former spouse you are considered competent and may be forced to testify for the defence or the prosecution.

    However, you cannot be compelled or forced to give evidence against the accused in relation to offences committed while the marriage was still ongoing unless:

    The offence in question is of violence or the threat of violence to you, your child or the accused’s child, or a person under 17 (includes an adopted child)
    The offence is a sexual offence in relation to your child, the accused’s child or a person under 17 (includes an adopted child)
    The offence consists of attempting or conspiring to commit or of aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or inciting commission of either of the above two offences

  62. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 12:45 pm

    para-Knowing that he can’t point the finger of blame at anyone that I think is why he called in the bif guns-Kenny Badan etc.

    I too believe that Jose Baez knows the truth. How could he sit there and allow her to run the show and say that he defended her? I saw a video of this mornings’ hearing before Judge Strickland and she appeared blank-she caught herself smiling and acknowledging someone so I think she’s got the message. It’s too bad that the crap during pretrail has delayed the trial date but I am willing to wait. I doubt they have the money to really stage a big play for a venue change. Maybe they need it and maybe they don’t.

    You know what I often think of when I see her in court? The August 14 th phone conversation when Casey talks about Caylee’s birthday and all she can say, through tears, is how much she missed the chilli that her mother was making and all the friends that were invited. Cindy comes back with something to the effect that she made no chilli and that it was a quiet day.

    Shortly before or after this conversation Cindy asked Casey how she spent the day, “In bed with the covers pulled up” or something to that effect. She changes like the New England weather. She hits on all emotions and feels none. Geez what a twisted mind. Makes me shiver.

  63. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 1:01 pm

    para-Thanks-hard work and much appreciated.

  64. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 1:05 pm

    Boston – he has an entire aresenol of people to “point the finger at”. He has Jesse Grund, Kronk, searchers from TX ES, Zanny the Nanny and a lot of other people who, in reality, have nothing to do with disposing of Caylee but who will come into play as “alternatives” for his defense.

    I don’t know what he believes or doesn’t believe and just know that he has a duty to defend her regardless of what he thinks of her.

    I watched the hearing live this morning and all that I saw out of Casey was nothing other than someone who was “playing” for an audience. She was smiling, laughing and acting as if she were anywhere other than where she is and why she’s there.

    I don’t think money is an issue for her defense as the majority, if not all, of the defense experts are on this case pro-bono and their return will be a lot of publicity generated for free.

    I don’t think Casey has a twisted mind because I don’t think she has a mind at all for that matter and that her own little world is all she knows or cares about.

  65. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 30, 2009 2:28 pm

    paralegal–thanks for the good information. It’s very much appreciated!

  66. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 3:26 pm

    para-Yes, I agree but I am a realist too and I suspect that no jury would ever buy into the multitude of potential killers he will attempt to round up in the months to come as she has stated that she was the last person to see her alive, she drove the car which is central to the movable crime scene and her daughters DNA was found at the crime scene (final resting place). Yes, Jose wil lpull out all the stops and accuse whoever he can in order to deflect blame from his client. His job is to draw his sword and point it at as many people as he can and hope that he comes up with someone who can credibly cast doubt. I understand what he has to do but will the jury stand for it? If he is lucky enough to sway one uninformed and gullible juror than I would say he’s got a ticket for the big time and it ain’t no circus. It’s a big fat legal career and his billable hours will soar. Lady justice will weep.

    Casey may very well be in “that alternate state” that “parellel universe” that Leonard Padilla so often speaks about. I don’t think it is a safe haven because she has only herself to talk to. It’s lonely in there.

  67. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 5:20 pm

    Mystery and Boston – Your welcome.

    I laughed my socks off this afternoon when I heard that Baez passed Casey contraband in her socks! How stupid can that man be and if he keeps this up, he’s going to be in real do-do with the Bar.

    Casey is as innocent as I am a man and I am very much of a woman (ask my husband and he’ll tell you). The entire pretext of everything that Baez does is focused on himself and his own fame and notariety.

    I cannot stand his client, believe that she is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and if I were sitting on that jury, I would sit for a year and not budge if I were the only one who believed in her guilt.

    Hate to say it but the only dancing that I believe she’ll ever do is around a jail cell for the rest of her life and when the Economic Charges are heard, she’ll then be facing another 77 years on top and even if she is not convicted of murder, she will be on the Felony charge of Child Endangerment as what parent in their right mind allow their child to be “missing” for a month and doesn’t report it to the Police. Either way you look at it, her Filet is going to be more than well done .

  68. Boston permalink
    January 30, 2009 7:22 pm

    Para and mystery-Say she got only 6-8 years for the economic crimes and they ran consecutively, what could she be looking at if they reduced the charges/indictment to manslaughter? Would it be somethng like 25 years with the possibility of parole? Could the Felony Murder be life because it involved a child under 12? I think this answer is yes. In other words is it always Felony Murder with no chance of parole and could there be a sentence less than life (say 40 years-no parole). Are the economic crimes considered teh “lesser included”?

    I could look this up. I am using my computer in teh family room that I have decided not to heat. I have heat but don’t turn it on. I fingers are frozen. NG is on and I am typing!!!!

  69. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 8:29 pm

    First of all, she WON’T get 6-8 for the Economic Fraud charges as if she did, then that would mean that 3/4 of them would have to be thrown out which they won’t be and if they are, it will only happen AFTER she IS convicted of first degree/felony murder. The Felony Murder will be a life sentence and when a child under a certain age is murdered, there is no negotiating when and if the evidence is sound, which I believe this is. Either way, she won’t be seeing the light of day, another stripper pole or the inside of Fusion or any other club until she’s suffering from menopause, dementia and dribbling into a bib from old age and senility.

  70. itsamysterytome permalink*
    January 30, 2009 10:50 pm

    Boston–I heard some legal analyst on Fox News say 20 years which made me sick. I’m glad paralegal is able to assure us it will be much longer. I would think anything less than life without the possibility of parole would be unacceptable if she, in fact, did murder her child in cold blood.

  71. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 30, 2009 11:39 pm

    Mystery – any legal analyst who says 20 years, isn’t thinking let alone remembering that there is more than just the Felony murder charge at stake. The Economic charges, if you take them one by one, add up to a total of 77 years. Take that and add that to the charge of Murder and then add that to the charge against her for being the cumby mother that she is, the ones for obstruction of Justice, then add to the recipe the charges for lying to Police AND a FEDERAL AGENT and then add on the charge that was laid for obstruction of justice, interference with a Police Investigation and if Lee (or anyone else was involved) then you have another charge of conspiracy to either commit murder and disposing of a body, failure to render aid (if it was an accident) and if you leave it up to the Prosecution, there will be more coming down the pipes. The State is as calm as can be because they KNOW that they have her by the scruff of her neck and when the Dept. of Children & Family Services gets through with her (they charged her with Child Endangerment) the only way that Casey will ever get out is when she’s 90 and they remove her in a box for cremation. There is still a possibility that the DP could be put back on the table and the reason I say that is this:

    If you listened carefully to what the State said at the Friday morning Hearing, they CLEARLY said that “there may not be a need for a change of venue” and to me this means that they may well put the DP back on the table once they release the last of the toxicology reports and if they do put it back on the table, then she may well be advised by Kenney-Baden and whoever else, that she should ask for a deal and the ONLY deal that they would give her in that case is LIFE without the possibility of parole and only IF she tells them what happened, when it happened, how it happened and why she did it not to mention who helped her, who was involved, etc. Casey’s goose is soooooo cooked that the only thing that she can hope is that she finds a girlfriend in prison who can and will protect her from the rest of the prison population who would most likely look for every chance they could get to get to her and show her what they think of mother’s who kill their children.

  72. January 30, 2009 11:59 pm

    One of the things that surprises me ALOT is that Mark Furman thinks it was “an accident.”

  73. Boston permalink
    January 31, 2009 8:23 am

    He’s too busy reporting on a ham and swiss cheese sandwich. He’s so out of touch and will say anything. Reading the documents in this case would have lead him to the facts as the DA has reported them. This is how I read them.

    Caylee was in the home in the early afternoon hours of June 16, 2008. Casey attempted to use chorloform to silence her and at some point decided that it was also important to place duct tape over her mouth/nose. She placed her in the laundry bag alive. She wrapped her in one of her baby blankets and dropped in a baby toy. She went out into the back yard and attempted to bury her there and it was impossible to move the earth. The childs’ body fluids leaked out onto the ground. She then decided to place her in a black trash bag from the kitchen and proceded to place her in the trunk. She drove around and eventaully discarded the remains in a wooded area not far from the home.- possibly on the 18th. She drove up to the curd not far from her home, got out of the car and went to the trunk. She lifted the body out and walked about 25-35ft into the wooded area and threw the remains. This is a known dump site for anyone who wants to get rid of trash properly.

    She drove Tony’s car and she also drove Amy H. car. She had to at some point get rid of her car. The odor was becoming very noticable and the few friends she did have mentioned they wouldn’t drive in her car with that kind of stench. She had no money and no gas. On the 23rd she went with Tony to her home and stole the gas cans. On or about the 25th she arrived home and after an argument with George released the gas cans to him. From all accounts George did not report smelling decomp at that time. At least 11 days had gone by since he had seen Caylee. By Case’s own admission she told George that Caylee was with the Nanny.

    We know what might have happened but we also know that the consciousness of guilt is evident when we realize that it is almost 3 weeks later that the child is reported missing. Nonoe of her friends ever reported the missing. No one knew her well enough to have been concerned. Having made a new set of friends added to her desire to erase this child from her life without too many people becoming too suspicious. It can go to building a framework/foundation for opportunity. IMO

    Wouldn’t you think with Mark’s vast knowledge of the criminal mind and plaine out sleuthing that he would have arrived at something other than an accident almost seven months later?

  74. Boston permalink
    January 31, 2009 8:26 am

    paragraph 2/last word “improperly”

  75. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 31, 2009 8:42 am

    Boston – I agree with you about Mark F. While some people may like him, my opinion of him is not that high. He arrived at the place that he is today not as a direct result of “intelligence” and “hard work” but rather due to countless errors and sorry but IMHO, Mark does not have a “vast knowledge of the criminal mind”. For goodness sake, the man was a cop and NOT a Psychologist and he clearly wasn’t that good of a cop either. Good cops don’t plant evidence.

  76. paralegalbeagle1 permalink
    January 31, 2009 10:52 am

    Mystery – I neglected to say one thing earlier on. That being that I am a strong believer in the truth. It always comes out regardless of all else. Without truth and without hope, there is nothing that can be relied upon. While I don’t doubt the “good nature” of Mark F., I cannot and do not have any respectfor anyone who knowingly and willfully, misrepresents anything especially when it comes to trial and basic human dignity. While I absolutely detested OJ Simpson, and still do, I found what Mark F did to be without any character at all and without any sense of honesty and integrity. I would no more take his “presumptions” as to what happened in the Casey Anthony case as being solid and fact as I would anything else that came out of the mouth of anyone who did what he did. Mark F. is so tied up and bound up by trying to gain some trust and dignity that sometimes he just can’t see the forest for the trees which is why he is now in the position that he’s in and scrambling to gain some legitimacy within the legal system. That is just MHO.

  77. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 2, 2009 4:38 pm

    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Eyewitness News may have solved the mystery surrounding the phantom PR man working for Casey Anthony’s attorney. He calls himself “Todd Black,” but that’s not his real name.

    A former FBI revealed to Eyewitness News that Todd Black is really Gil Cabot, a man who’s spent time in prison for trying to extort money from a Los Angeles news anchor. The so-called Todd Black has been involved in the Casey Anthony case almost since the beginning.

    PR FIRM RESPONDS: Read Press Corps Statement
    RAW INTERVIEW: Former FBI Agent Reveals Identity
    TEAM COVERAGE: Mystery PR Man Revealed

    The man who goes by the name Todd Black at Press Corps Media became defense attorney Jose Baez’s public relations firm back in September. Eyewitness News went to Baez’s office Monday and asked whether he knew from the beginning that Todd Black is really convicted felon Gil Cabot, but he would not answer any questions.

    Baez hooked up with the phantom public relations man who goes by the name of Todd Black two months after Casey Anthony’s first arrest, but the man never shows his face in public. One of Baez’s partners, Jose Garcia, told Eyewitness News he’s never seen Todd Black.

    The public hear from Todd Black in October when he made a statement over the phone to a CNN show host.

    “This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony,” Todd Black said (hear it all).

    “But I know that, based on the recording that I listened to, Todd Black is not Todd Black. Todd Black is Gil Cabot,” former FBI agent Jack Trimarco told WFTV reporter Kathi Belich during a phone interview on Monday (listen to full interview).

    Trimarco, a former FBI lie detector specialist, investigated Cabot in the 1980s for trying to extort money from Entertainment Tonight talent Jann Carl, who was then a Los Angeles TV news anchor.

    “We recorded many, many phone conversations between Gil Cabot and Jann Carl, although Gil was always using different names and different aliases in his scheme. He eventually got arrested and was found guilty,” Trimarco said.

    Trimarco said someone connected to the Jann Carl case recently alerted him that Cabot, aka Todd Black, was involved in the Caylee Anthony case. When he listened to a recording of Todd Black’s voice, the voice wasn’t the only thing he recognized.

    “But I do believe that he had used the alias Todd Black back in the 1980s,” Trimarco said.

    Late Monday afternoon, Press Corps Media responded to Eyewitness News’ question in an emailed statement (read full statement).

    “It simply DOES NOT MATTER if our company was founded by a gentleman who spent time in prison over twenty-five years ago, especially since that distinction is a key selling point that brings credibility to our services assisting celebrities, politicians and others charged with a crime. It simply DOES NOT MATTER that when he sold the company in 1996 he remained a consultant, just like it simply DOES NOT MATTER that security names are assigned to our company staff,” Todd Black wrote in the release.

  78. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 2, 2009 4:40 pm

    Text SizeAAAPress Corps Media Issues Statement Responding To WFTV Story

    A trial date apparently far in the future seems to be creating upset with the general media, which is struggling to grab TV viewer ratings, sell newspapers and salvage advertising dollars, by taking the most unimportant irrelevant topics, and spinning things to unethically manufacture controversy.

    It simply DOES NOT MATTER if our company was founded by a gentleman who spent time in prison over twenty-five years ago, especially since that distinction is a key selling point that brings credibility to our services assisting celebrities, politicians and others charged with a crime. It simply DOES NOT MATTER that when he sold the company in 1996 he remained a consultant, just like it simply DOES NOT MATTER that security names are assigned to our company staff. Turning a prison experience into a successful business deserves respect, and in fact -mainstream news broadcasters and publications regularly employ as experts formally convicted individuals; G.Gordon Liddy, John Dean and Mark Fuhrman, to name a few. Working crisis media cases isn’t fluff public relations, and in high profile situations using security names is required by Press Corps Media for employee safety.

    I originally inherited the case because media rep Sabrina Cane had been on maternity leave, but as some of you who have talked with her already know, Sabrina has returned to her full time duties and you are free to contact her at (615) 254-1400.


    Todd Black

  79. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 2, 2009 4:45 pm


  80. itsamysterytome permalink*
    February 8, 2009 7:25 pm


    I must have missed your comments about Gil Cabot. That is very interesting. I think there is much much more to Gil Cabot and his connection to Baez than we know yet.

  81. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 8, 2009 9:43 pm

    Mystery – There is so much “under the table” that seeing what’s really there is difficult. It’s sort of like a table if you think about it. You can have all the cutlery out and the table set nicely but them someone comes and tosses grocery bags and newspapers all over the top and you can’t see what is really beneath it all. Baez is, every day, doing more and more to take the focus off his client and now – naturally – trying to and comparing her with Richard Kimball (The Fugitive). Unfortunately, nothing will help Casey and I for one am looking forward to the day that the Judge passes sentence on her and Cindy passes out at the sentencing hearing phase of the trial. I can see it now, Casey becomes catatonic, Cindy has a fit trying to jump over the seats to get to her daughter screaming “IT WAS THE F’N PIZZA!!!’. The more I read, the more I want to throw up. If Baez wants a “fair” trial for his client, he’s be best to stick to Orlando as she’s hated more in every other state of the union.

  82. itsamysterytome permalink*
    February 8, 2009 10:07 pm


    Now that’s a vision! LOL

    I agree with you, there’s nothing Baez can do to save Casey–if that’s truly his mission (which I doubt) I also agree that Orlando is the best place for the trial. The result would be the same wherever it takes place, and the cost to move it would be exhorbitant.

  83. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:40 pm

    I believe that Baez is attempting to do two things. One being to generate future celebrity status for himself (as another F. Lee Bailey, Barry Scheck or Alan Dershowitz) and to CHA so that the Bar doesn’t pull him up on misconduct charges. I personally think that they could try her in Iceland or the jungles of Africa and the results would be the same – GUILTY! What parent in their right mind would allow their child to be missing for 31 days and not report it! If that were my child, I would be driving through the plate glass windows of the Police Department to get them to find my child within seconds of not knowing where my child was. I honestly believe that by the time LE is through with the Anthony Family, that they’ll all – with the exception of George – be sharing the same address with Casey. Once this memorial is over, then LE will come down on them like bricks.

  84. itsamysterytome permalink*
    February 9, 2009 5:08 am

    We shall see! I hope you are right. I think we will see Lee either charged or offered the immunity deal. If it’s the deal, Casey’s gig will be up. He and Casey were obviously passing info in code about something. Cindy is another story. I don’t know if she’ll be charged or not.

  85. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:27 am

    I don’t know either but I find it interesting that Casey didn’t even ask permission from the jail to watch her daughter’s memorial service. Wait … I forgot! Baez hasn’t given her her instructions yet! Pathetic!! I agree that they were passing information and I hope that before too long, if he’s in cahoots with her, that they will be prohibited from passing anything else to each other and with him in jail, that will be the end of that.

  86. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 9, 2009 4:29 pm

    This statement made me really want to throw up! It was released by Baez and just goes to show that she has no feelings and isn’t at all human. It also shows that Cindy and George have compassion and understanding for all those who cared about Caylee Anthony:

    In her first statement since murder one charges and the discovery of her daughter’s remains, Casey Anthony says she never wanted a public memorial for Caylee. It was Casey Anthony’s wish to have a private funeral and to have Caylee buried so that she can visit her grave. But Casey Anthony says she cannot stop her parents, George and Cindy, from doing what they want. The statement read just moments ago by Jose Baez, also reveals Caylee has been cremated. Here’s a part of the statement: I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee. I told them I wanted her buried in a casket and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her. I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family. Jail officials confirm there has been no request by Casey Anthony to watch the memorial behind bars. Is the tot mom protesting the public service? And we also learn Casey Anthony has a radio so she can listen to the memorial if she wants to do so in her private jail cell. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)

  87. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 9, 2009 4:31 pm


    Casey Anthony’s Statement On Caylee’s Memorial
    Monday, February 9, 2009 – updated: 4:50 pm EST February 9, 2009

    The following is the transcript of a news conference held by Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, on Monday, February 9. He is the only person who spoke and read a statement from Casey.

    This is a statement by my client and she’s authorized me to a make a statement to the public with regards to tomorrow’s memorial.

    I miss Caylee every day and every minute of every day. I can’t be there for Caylee’s funeral, but some day I want to go and visit her grave and tell her how much I miss her.

    I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee. I told them I wanted her buried in a casket and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her. I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family.

    I know they cremated her. I still don’t want a public event with cameras and everybody around for Caylee’s service, but I can’t stop my parents from doing what they want. I truly hope that it will help them.
    Copyright 2009 by All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  88. lanelaw1 permalink
    February 10, 2009 5:41 pm

    Hate to say it but Cindy Anthony said that she wanted the Memorial to “be about Caylee” when in fact she, Lee and George turned it into a plea for understanding and love from the public for Casey. This, IMHO, was reprehensible and furthered my own disgust at their daughter and towards Cindy for “using” this supposedly sombre occasion to further incite public outrage towards her daughter who, while the Memorial was going on, was busy as a bee with her lawyer preparing her defense.

  89. itsamysterytome permalink*
    February 10, 2009 6:26 pm


    I thought Casey’s statement yesterday was aimed at garnering sympathy for herself and was a power play with Cindy. Cindy has been in charge since Caylee was born–She was more a mother to Caylee than Casey and it was probably fitting that she planned the memorial. JMO

    For the most part I thought it was a beautiful service. I expected them to mention Casey–not to the extent they did though–and certainly not to ask for letters for her.

    I noticed Lee was using a laptop–wonder if Casey and Jose’s “meeting” had an ulterior motive–If Lee had a webcam and Jose’s computer had a webcam–

  90. Joyce Wilson permalink
    August 28, 2009 11:16 am

    Jose said that he has proof that Casey is innocent!! If he does, why doesn’t he get this case on the docket immediately and get Casey exonerated. No lawyer would let an innocent client sit in jail for another year. Also he says that he is too busy preparing Casey’s murder defense to go to court on the forgery charges. Well he said that she is innocent so he should go to court and clear her. There are nine lawyers on her team. Certainly one of them has time to handle the forgery case. Baez says that he has no time yet he teaches classes once a week. This whole thing is a sham. I would love to smack that smirk off of Baez’s face.

  91. itsamysterytome permalink*
    August 28, 2009 1:33 pm

    Joyce–Let’s smack it off together! LOL. I agree with you–if they had anything, they would have already used it to get her off. Saying they don’t have for the forgery trial is, as you say, a sham. If she goes into the criminal trial, already a convicted felon, that might well color a jury’s opinion. That’s why they don’t want the forgery trial first.

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