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Leonard Padilla says George Anthony lied about the last time he saw Caylee

May 19, 2009

Bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, says Lee Anthony told him that George Anthony lied when he told George Anthony liesinvestigators that he saw Caylee leave with her mother, Casey, the morning of the 16th of June, 2008.  Eyewitness News has discovered that Casey’s lawyers are trying to keep Padilla’s statement secret.

George Anthony said that he saw Caylee alive on Monday, June 16 as she was leaving their house with her mother, Casey. This was the day after Father’s Day  and the day after witnesses have sworn that Cindy and Casey had a really bad row over money Casey allegedly stole from Cindy’s mom.  Padilla claims George’s story is false and Kathi Belich of Eyewitness News interviewed him Tuesday via telephone.

Kathi: “George says he saw Caylee the next day.”

Padilla: “She didn’t leave the next day like George said.”

Kathi: “Oh, you think George is lying about that?”

Padilla: “I know he is, yeah.”

Kathi: “How do you know that?”

Padilla: “Because Lee says so.”

Kathi: “What did Lee say?”

Padilla: “Lee says she left that night. She was upset and took off with the baby.”

Kathi: “Lee actually told you that and you told investigators that when you were questioned?”

Padilla: “That’s correct.”

Leonard says Lee revealed that Cindy attempted to choke Casey on Father’s Day and that Casey then took off with Caylee. Cindy has denied that ever happened and Casey’s defense team wanted to keep those incriminating statements that Padilla and his associates made, private, saying Padilla was working for the prosecution. Padilla denies this and says that Casey did not appear desperate to find her baby after he bonded her out of jail.

“It’s almost like there was no daughter. There was no daughter missing. There was nothing to be concerned about,” said Padilla.

Jose Baez will depose a friend of Casey’s this Thursday.  On May 28th he’ll be back in court to try and get the videotape of Casey’s reaction to Caylee’s body being found thrown out.

read it here:

new insight into possible motive: VIDEO

Well, who knows if ole Lenny is telling the truth or not–though, on this one, I tend to believe he is.  But, then, we all know Leonard can exaggerate and even create a story if put on the spot.  If he thinks it will keep him in the spotlight and in a favored chair on NG,  the skies the limit.

HOWEVER, I believe that he’s an old-fashioned kind of guy at heart and that when sworn in, he will tell the truth as he knows it–whatever the truth as he knows it might be.

103 Comments leave one →
  1. Diana permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:05 pm

    I believe Leanord P on this because I remember in the depositions when Cindy was asked by Morgan if George made Caylees breakfast that morning and she got very defensive and evasive about such an innocent question. She said I wasn’t there, I don’t know……you will need to ask George. I thought that was odd that she dodged that question. The fact that the morning never happened would explain her reluctance.

  2. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 19, 2009 7:16 pm


    I remember that! Guess she didn’t want to perjure herself on George’s lie–she has plenty of her own lies to deal with. LOL

  3. laura permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:17 pm

    Well I believe he was told that BUT we know that family and truth are strangers so maybe Lee lied to him. I don’t think Leonard would lie just to remain in spotlight.

    laura–I agree about Leonard, but I think Lee was telling the truth in the beginning and for the most part. I think Cindy and George may have lied almost from the beginning.

  4. May 19, 2009 7:35 pm

    Mystery, I definitely believe this is true!!! I remember Niecey and I discussing this in the past. The one thing that I could NEVER understand is what Cindy Anthony said at the bond hearing at the beginning when prosecution asked her if she saw Caylee and KC the next morning and she said she could hear them but couldn’t see them because the door was closed. That sounded like crap then and it sounds like crap now, because Cindy Anthony would leave for work at 7:30a.m. If there was NO fight why wouldn’t she go in there and hug Caylee before leaving for work? According to Cindy Anthony they had to have been awake if she HEARD them like she said she did on the morning of June 16. If you watch the interview with Greta and the Anthony’s the whole thing that George says sounds tooo rehearsed!

    nancy–I remember that as well. I find it hard to believe that George would come up with that story all on his own. Cindy had to be in on it. That leaves the question–Why lie about when Casey left? In the middle of this tragedy why did they need to lie about the timeline?

  5. niecey456 permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:37 pm

    I really have always believed that Casey stormed out with Caylee on the night of the 15th, because the neighbors heard the fight and that is evidence. It had to be pretty bad for the neighbors to hear it. I think Casey tore out of there in a fit of rage. I have especially felt this to be true since the document dump that showed that the outfit George repeatedly swore Caylee was wearing was found in her room. He was too vivid, and then that wasn’t it at all. I think based on the evidence, what LP is saying it true. It wouldn’t make sense after a fight of that magnitude for Casey to just forget it and go to bed and leave the next day for revenge. That’s what I think.

    I agree, Niecey. But it also doesn’t make sense for them to make up a story about when she left right down to what the two of them were wearing. No sense at all.

  6. ostella permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:38 pm

    I usually take what he says with a grain of salt, but I believe him on this. That Father’s Day Smackdown between cindy and casey is what led to Caylee’s demise. That’s why cindy has erased it from the story…

    I suppose that’s it, Ostella. If they admit the truth about when Casey left and why, there would be a motive as to why Casey killed Caylee. Sick thinking.

  7. laura permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:42 pm

    Ostella if the Anthony’s told me it was sunny outside I would take an umbrella. All they do is lie and cover for Casey, now I realize Caylee is gone but she is still their granddaughter, why not want justice for her?????

    Therein lies the biggest mystery of all………………

  8. Coreysmom permalink
    May 19, 2009 7:46 pm

    Yes, many of us in blogdom have suspected George’s story about seeing Caylee on the 16th for some time now. It’s nice to see LP catching up with us on a theory! I believe LP but why didn’t he say this alot sooner? It has been months since he last talked to Lee, after all.

    I think I heard him say it in the past on NG, Coreysmom. I just think it wasn’t taken seriously by Nancy.

  9. Molly permalink
    May 19, 2009 8:00 pm

    Leonard HAS said this way, way back & several times since. I totally believe leonard. I too have said all along that George did not see them on the 16th. Who could ever name exactly what BOTH of them were wearing at least 30 days later? I wonder why the defense team is trying to keep LP’s statements quiet, what are they so worried about, she’s innocent right? lol
    Cindy had said that morning June 16th, she had “heard them sleeping” & didn’t want to bother them, so didn’t open the door to their room. hmmm, “heard” them sleeping???
    I can’t wait to hear what LP’s associate, Tracy has to say. woooohoo That’s when Casey was running her mouth. That should be good!

    molly–I think Tracy’s testimony will be quite relevant. I’m looking forward to hearing it, too.

  10. Molly permalink
    May 19, 2009 8:02 pm

    At the beginning of all of this in July & August, Lee was talking to LP a LOT.

  11. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 19, 2009 8:31 pm

    You are absolutely right, Molly.

    (I responded to everyone above within the comment boxes.)

  12. Coreysmom permalink
    May 19, 2009 9:02 pm

    I’ve been reading through the old NG transcripts and am up to mid-November. I haven’t run across any talk of Lee telling him that Casey left with Caylee on the 15th yet. LP did say something about Casey being spotted at a motel on the night of the 15th, but did not mention Caylee with her. LP was one of the first to mention the fight on the 15th and that Lee was the source of his knowledge, but no mention that Caylee was with her.
    Tomorrow I will be reading another NG transcript or two and it will be in one of them that LP mentions that George did not see Casey and Caylee…doh! 😆

  13. Diana permalink
    May 19, 2009 9:17 pm

    I think Casey grabbed Caylee and stormed out that night and Caylee was scared and kept crying for Cindy. That infuriated Casey and she totally lost it. Just my thoughts

  14. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 19, 2009 9:24 pm

    Let me know if you find it Coreysmom! That’s quite a chore, girlfriend!

    Diana-I think a lot of people think that might be the scenario. She was already enraged at her mother and Caylee whining for her could have sent her over the top.

    I have to go to bed! I’m seeing double. Goodnight!

  15. J.Hj permalink
    May 19, 2009 9:25 pm

    Mystery I totally agree this was a Cindy story. Gretas interview sounded so staged when they said it was just like every other day and that at the time stuck out in my mind as so well rehearsed. They were like reading a script in the interview….

    I think it was a Cindy story but then Cindy has backed away from it in the sense that she says you would have to ask George about it because she wasn’t there, and also by saying only that she “heard” them but did not “see” them. Kind of sets it up so that if it turns out that George is caught lying, she can say SHE didn’t lie and she must have only THOUGHT she heard them. Strange

  16. Coreysmom permalink
    May 19, 2009 9:30 pm

    I will, mystery! 😀

  17. Coreysmom permalink
    May 19, 2009 9:33 pm

    That’s what I believe, too, Diana. 😥

  18. MAND permalink
    May 19, 2009 11:10 pm

    I agree with Niecey…I don’t see KC going to bed after the knock down drag out fight…it is more likely that she loaded Caylee in the car and left that night. I think that’s when it happened…she was so angry at Cindy and I bet Caylee was crying and asking for Cindy and other questions little ones seeing and hearing that sort of an argument would ask…KC was going to teach Cindy a lesson and she needed to shut Caylee up.

    That, to me, is the most logical explanation for what really happened. KC snapped and either intentionally killed her, or taped her mouth shut and locked her in the trunk to keep her quiet and she accidentally suffocated.

  19. May 19, 2009 11:23 pm

    I Believe LP. He has no reason to lie. Plus i agree with Niecey and Diana’s theory of casey storming out with caylee after the fight on the nite of the 15th cindy denies now. If they had no falling out of any kind then why was cindy writing to casey’s my space saying my caylee is missing and she said at the deposition when asked about this she was trying to be a friend on casey’s my space to get her to answer her back. self explanatory. We all know why cindy was writing that in casey’s my space. George is as famous for lieing as cindy is and is no different than cindy. He just tries to be the one that comes off being the victim of cindy’s is all to get sympathy and to scam people to thinking cindy is the only real bad guy. C&G are both cut from the same cloth pattern. They are all guilty just different charges warranteed so i say send the posse to round them up.

    Yep, cut from the same cloth is right–George just plays the long-suffering role. Sometimes that type is more dangerous than Cindy’s type (the kind that wears her anger on her sleeve) Gotta watch your back with the George type.

  20. Jill from Western Australia permalink
    May 20, 2009 3:37 am

    Ostella and all my l♥vely friends I suspect you have “hit the nail on the head.”

    IMO the fight was the last “straw” which led to the demise of Caylee. I am sure {crossing fingers and toes} that LE have all the accurate facts and will eventually be able to “prove beyond reasonable doubt” that which we all know….Casey killed Caylee 😥

    Let’s hope the prosecution has a veritable treasure trove of evidence not yet released.

  21. Stephanie permalink
    May 20, 2009 5:11 am

    Hello Everyone!
    At this present time I still believe Casey killed Caylee at home after George left. I also believe that is why Caylee was in the laundry bag. I would really like to know what time the big fight was. I know it was after Cindy came home, but was Casey already there or did she come in later.
    LP stated long ago Casey left with Caylee after the big fight…according to Lee. If the second fight the neighbor heard was June 15th…then Casey did not leave with Caylee. Or at least the neighbor saw Casey leave alone no child.
    Here is the link for the neighbor page 4.

    Stephanie I just re-read Jean Couty’s interview and she indicated that both arguments she witnessed took place during the day when she was outside working in the yard. Tha’s how she heard the argument–Casey and Cindy were arguing outside. I would also like to know when the big fight took place. Only the Anthonys can answer that one and I don’t think they have any immediate plans to do that! If it took place in the evening, of course, no one would have witnessed it or known whether she took Caylee with her when she left or not.

  22. Rebecca permalink
    May 20, 2009 6:20 am

    I’ve heard Leonard tell Nancy Grace months ago that Casey left Father’s Day night.I’ve all along felt that George was lying. If Casey had a huge fight with Cindy, she is not going to stay in that house, go to bed and act like nothing has happened. I believe she took off with Caylee that night and probably even threatened Cindy she wasn’t ever going to see Caylee again. George and Cindy didn’t want LE knowing about the fight- probably wanted to keep their ” wonderful family” image going, so George just said he saw them leave on the 16th.
    Stephanie- you’re probably right. Casey probably killed Caylee at the house. Maybe she came back after George left the next day.
    Probably we will never know what exactly happened, but we all know who did it, and we all know if it’s coming out of an Anthony mouth- it is most likely a lie- or is it called a half truth now?

    I agree that she either came back that next day after George left and put Caylee’s body in the laundry bag or killed her in the house and put her in the laundry bag. Both theories make sense.

  23. May 20, 2009 8:05 am

    And don’t forget in her own words “I GUESS I’M JUST A SPITEFUL BITCH.”

    maybe the most truthful words she ever spoke!

  24. BEES KNEES permalink
    May 20, 2009 9:01 am

    I find it far more believable that Casey was not at home the next morning. This lie on top of all the others really demonstrates how lacking in intelligence the Ants. are. Wouldn’t ANYONE realize it would be next to impossible to rhyme off perfect descriptions of what anyone was wearing a month later?? Anybody with a lick of sense would have said they couldn’t remember or couldn’t be sure. But we’re talking about the Anthony’s here. So what would their motive for lying be? I guess just to let on that everything was normal-normal and happy-happy in the Anthony Asylum?

    When do you think they KNEW that Caylee was dead?

  25. MAND permalink
    May 20, 2009 9:01 am

    We know now Cindy has changed her story and she says there was no fight…even tho the neighbors witnessed it…with everyone in this case changing their stories we will never know anything more than what we know now…no one in the A’s family is speaking the truth.

  26. MAND permalink
    May 20, 2009 9:10 am

    Hi Bees..we must have been posting at the same time..I didn’t see your comment when I started writing….
    I don’t know any man that could tell you what a child was wearing on any given day…maybe if it was a special day or something like that. I don’t know what their reason for George saying this would be other than he wanted to make out that everything was okay and as you say just a normal day…LE should have asked George what Caylee had on the day before that day …or what KC was wearing and Cindy..if he is so observant he should know that.

  27. Coreysmom permalink
    May 20, 2009 9:34 am

    I found LP saying this, which alludes to Casey leaving on the night of the 15th, not the 16th-
    (transcript of September 17th)

    GRACE: What else did you learn from the phone records?

    PADILLA: Well, that she`s constantly on the phone, constantly, constantly, constantly. The night of the 15th, when we believe she had a big blow-up with the family because her mom had come back from the Father`s Day and she`d found out that she stole money from the grandparents — I believe at that time is when she left the house, not the following day on the 16th. And that is because the phone calls and the pattern of phone calls is such that it doesn`t seem like she was making them out of the house, although the towers that cover the house would also cover a hotel where she might have been spotted.

    GRACE: Well, if she were in the house, she wouldn`t be talking to her mother on the cell phone, anyway.

    PADILLA: Well, no, she wasn`t talking to her mother. She was talking to her boyfriend and other people.

    GRACE: Oh, I see. OK. So you think she may have been in the house at that time?

    PADILLA: She might have been. But I think shortly afterwards, she left, which would be in conflict somewhat with…

    GRACE: OK.

    PADILLA: … you know, her having left on the 16th.

    Also, if LP said it directly that George did not see Caylee on the 16th it would probably have been through the blog that he and Rob Dick had, the one that cost money to access.

  28. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 20, 2009 10:13 am

    I posted within the comments boxes up to Bees Knees comment.

    Bees Knees–It’s really hard to get my mind around the thought that they would lie about such a crucial piece of information just because it would make them look bad.

    I personally think they knew in their heart of hearts Caylee COULD be dead when they smelled the car. They probably KNEW it after the detectives were led on the wild goose chase and realized everything Casey had been saying and doing was fiction.

  29. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 20, 2009 10:16 am

    Mand–very good point. How come George remembered that so vividly??? Maybe what Caylee had on, but definitely not what Casey had on. To me that was a dead giveaway that he was lying, and if a dimwit like me could figure that out, you can bet LE was on to his lies.

  30. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 20, 2009 10:17 am

    Coreysmom–Thanks for finding that. Excellent. But, then, LP didn’t say he heard that from Lee did he? hmmm

  31. Coreysmom permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:23 am

    Wow! That’s a good observation, mystery! No, he figured that Casey left on the 15th through phone records!
    I did notice while searching the transcripts that LP told NG that he and Lee talked alot on the phone about this case and that’s where he was getting his info.
    That LP! Is he trying to stir trouble in the Ant house? LOL!

    My guess is if he was talking a lot to Lee he heard it from him but didn’t want to name him at the time he was talking to NG. I mean, Cindy would have been furious.

  32. Molly permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:30 am

    George did describe what Casey was wearing also the day of the 16th. The pinstripe pants (the ones Cindy washed!).
    I also agree that she left that night & Caylee died that night by either way, on pupose or by accident as stated above. It’s definitely the cover up for the “perfect family” syndrome & not wanting to draw attention to a fight that took place the night before she “disappeared”(motive). I also find it telling that Casey said she had not seen Caylee since the 16th, the VERY day after the fight. Why that day, why not the 17th or 18th? She could have made up any date. The day after the fight was some kind of message to Cindy & it’s part true that she “had not seen my daughter” after that date because she was dead. A live Caylee was gone, only her body remained.

    Great work Coreysmom! LP’s theory is that she was in a motel parking lot talking to Tony & making all those calls. She was supposedly seen in the parking lot at 1:00am, but I have not heard any more about that, so who knows.. But no Caylee visible (probably in the trunk or laying in the car). LP has said that about George several times on NG, as I don’t belong to his blog it had to be on there.

    I agree with you mystery, the smell in the car planted the seed that she may be dead & then all the lies just confirmed it. Cindy KNOWS what Casey is like, she chooses to believe what she wants to from Casey.

    I hadn’t really thought of that Molly but it makes perfect sense! She of course told Cindy the 16th because she knew that date would mean something to her. I remember someone was supposed to have seen her in that parking lot but I wonder if that wasn’t true since nothing else has been said about it.

  33. Coreysmom permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:32 am

    Bees Knees, I, too, think the Ants knew Caylee was dead when they smelled the car. Supposedly they are the ones who called LE to search the backyard the day Casey was arrested. I think the lying from Cindy started when the cadaver dogs hit at the various areas and the car trunk…as the psychologist said, she was undoing the info that Caylee was dead, her original thought,like with the pizza remark. It was then denial and normal. But, once the FBI report came in on the decomp odor in the trunk, that’s when she went into full fledged lying to save Casey’s hiney. Even LP said that once that FBI report came in she became a hindrance to the investigation and very uncooperative.

    It’s amazing to me how much alike Cindy and Casey are. Obviously Cindy is able to compartmentalize events in order to be able to function on a different level. Somehow she’s able to box up Caylee’s death and Casey’s part in it, tie a bow around it and store it in some hidden area of her brain–that’s the only way I can explain how she is able to ignore the truth to the point of throwing stumbling blocks out there to try and save her worthless daughter.

  34. Molly permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:36 am

    coreysmom – Knowing LP, he probably taped those conversations too! At the beginning I thought Lee was the only normal one in the bunch. He seemed to really be helping LE. I think he’s taken a bit of a turn, but at least he’s not part of the media attention that G & C seek, he keeps a low profile.

  35. Coreysmom permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:36 am

    Thanks, Molly!
    I like your obs about the day they chose to say was their last time to see Caylee.

  36. Diana permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:37 am

    *Bees Knees
    I think Cindy had suspicians about Caylee when she couldn’t speak to her for a month, but shrugged it off as Casey being spiteful, but when they smelled that car……They KNEW right then what happened, and the cover up started and has continued even as ridiculous as their lies are.

  37. May 20, 2009 11:37 am

    I remember in the very beginning Cindy was very alarmed and she said to Casey “WHAT HAVE YOU DONE??”

  38. Molly permalink
    May 20, 2009 11:41 am

    Carol – true, true! she certainly has changed her tune hasn’t she?

    She also told George that day “we’ve lost her”. they knew

  39. Lori permalink
    May 20, 2009 12:37 pm

    I’ve always believed that Casey left with Caylee on the night of the 15th or early morning hours of the 16th. I believe George said what Cindy wanted said to everyone – she did not want anyone, particularly law enforcement, to know there was a fight on the night of the 15th which caused Casey to leave. There’s no way after seeing Casey and hearing her with her parents, that she would stay the night after the fight and things were ‘normal’ the next morning. I also don’t think she went very far…she stayed in the area and talked on the cell phone. I also think she called Tony and asked if they could come over and he said that she (Casey) could but not Caylee. I had read that he said he didn’t think it was appropriate to have Caylee stay with him and his roommates. I hate to think about this aspect but…I believe Caylee would have been upset that night as well. There was a fight, her mom grabs her and puts her in the car. It’s hard to think about this part. She’s crying, and Casey needed her to be quiet. I truly believe that she died either the night of the 15th or the very early morning of the 16th. It could have been an accident, to keep her quiet. I do believe Casey had thoughts about doing something months before but perhaps this fight, this night, she did it.

    Cindy is a very strange bird, IMO. Even at those early stages, she came up with the story that they left on the 16th, just like any normal day…there were no normal days in the life of Casey….she didn’t go much of anywhere, any day…That makes me so angry sometimes that I can’t stand it. It has to be that there own sense of responsibility in all of this is what drives them. I cannot think of any other reason to behave as they have, IMO.

    I guess Cindy could be going to these extremes to keep people from knowing what she perceives to be her part in all this. Or maybe she feels extreme guilt for something that pertains to Casey from way back when and that’s what drives her. I don’t know. But, I do know Caylee has never been the main focus of either of these women–she was just a pawn in their ongoing chess game.

  40. ostella permalink
    May 20, 2009 2:16 pm

    I remember Jesse Grund saying at the very beginning that Lee told him about the fight between Crazy and cindy on the 15th…he told him that cindy tried to choke crazy. I don’t recall if he mentioned crazy storming out that night with Caylee… I also remember cindys version of that night, claiming she “tucked both Crazy and Caylee into bed and kissed them goodnight…”

    What do you call a fish with no eyes? PPHHHHHSSSSHHHHH….. Yeah right, cindy….

    Who does she think she’s fooling? Or is she really just trying to convince herself????

    My guess is she’s just trying to convince herself.

  41. Stephanie permalink
    May 20, 2009 3:34 pm

    Okay I am listening to LP on Mike G right now. Mystery when you went back and read you said the fight was in the day time, right. That doesn’t fit LP’s either, he said evening…Plus she said Casey left without Caylee. He is talking now that the shovel was borrowed on the 18th…I have to go back and read but I believe the neighbor said he couldn’t remember if it was the 18th or 19th.
    Having said that I do believe without a doubt Lee told LP this. I also do like LP and we have found things out from him before anywhere else, like the script. But, I also think he wants his timeline to work and he is going to pick and choose.
    Maybe there is another interview of a neighbor we haven’t seen. I would love to see that and find out exactly what time the big fight happened.

    Stephanie, I don’t know if that was the only neighbor interviewed. The one referenced above wasn’t sure of the dates of several arguments she overheard between Cindy and Casey.

  42. paula permalink
    May 20, 2009 4:34 pm

    I believe that George lied (so what else is new) about Casey leaving with Caylee on the 16th because it strengthens the story of dropping Caylee off at the nanny’s. To admit that she left on the night of the 15th takes credibility away from the story of dropping Caylee off with babysitter. No one drops a child off at midnight or later. I cannot remember if George made this statement before or after talking about the smell in the car.

    I don’t remember when he made that statement either, but he talked to the tow yard guy about the smell and that was before he talked to LE about when he last saw her.

  43. Stephanie permalink
    May 20, 2009 4:52 pm

    So far that is the only neighbors interview I can find, other then the Dickens and Burner. I will look and see if I can find another of a neighbor.

  44. Molly permalink
    May 20, 2009 4:57 pm

    mystery – I agree about how Cindy has neatly packaged it away in her mind & then inserted a new story. She just can’t accept it & therefore it isn’t so.

  45. hvf permalink
    September 13, 2009 4:17 pm

    I absolutely believe Leonard Padilla! The Anthonys are the LIARS…not LP

  46. farrahhair permalink
    November 16, 2009 8:32 pm

    I’m so late to weight in, but whatever. I am too lazy to go back and read Casey’s statement, but I believe she said she dropped Caylee off sometime between 9:00am and 1:00pm. George said they left at 12:50pm. If Casey was telling the truth, I’m sure she would remember exactly what time this occurred given she had a month to figure it out. Her story did change to a kidnapping scenario, and again, I’m sure she would know exactly what time it occurred. I’ve always believed George was lying about seeing them on the 16th. This might not mean anything, but Casey begins her statement with something like, “On the 16th I dropped Caylee off sometime…” Hmmmm. I just think an innocent statement might begin with something like this: “The morning of the 16th, Caylee woke up at 8:00am. My Dad fixed her some toast while I showered and got ready for work….” George was home while Casey got ready for work. Did he watch her? Did she eat? They didn’t leave until nearly 1:00pm. All he saw was them leaving? LE should have asked Casey where she woke up, showered and dressed that morning. What did she feed Caylee for breakfast? I can answer these questions. Casey showered at home in the afternoon when everyone was at work. Caylee didn’t eat breakfast that day because she was dead in the trunk of the car. Cindy didn’t answer any phone calls from her that day because she was still angry about the fight the night before. Cindy was thinking, “Good Casey, let’s see how far you can get on your own before you come crawling back home.” Then Cindy got over being angry and begged them to come home. Then she got worried- very very worried. Then she took action. She freaked out, tracked down Casey and called the police. Now she has to live with that action. She probably wishes she had never called 911. She could have asked sweetheart where Caylee was and sweetheart could have said never mind. And, they could all just be living happily ever after just minus a Caylee. Casey could do her whatever thing, and George and Cindy just sitting there every morning at breakfast eating there bagels, and nobody ever mentions the fact that a baby is missing ’cause no one wants to upset Casey. Cindy foiled what could have been the perfect murder. They could have all lied and just said they gave her up for adoption or to her Dad. I doubt if anyone besides maybe Jesse wuold have cared.

  47. itsamysterytome permalink*
    November 16, 2009 9:14 pm

    farrahhair–A lot of people, (including me) share your belief that George didn’t see them the morning of the 16th.

    I think there are probably quite a few children that have disappeared without a trace and were never missed by anyone–making the scenario you just described not all that far-fetched. Maybe that’s exactly how Casey saw it playing out.

  48. lawandlogic permalink
    May 22, 2011 6:27 pm

    I just stumbled upon this thread. Wow! I am impressed with the thoughtful opinions and wonder if this thread is still alive? I do have some thoughts about June 15th … could Casey have left that night alone? She then had time to really think about what she was going to do. Perhaps she left Caylee that night only to get her plan set, only to return with some detached attitude and that helped her to finally do what she’s been wanting to do for a very long time. Maybe it pained her to think yes I could walk away from Caylee no problem but that leaves Cindy and Caylee to live happily ever after. It may be very true sociopaths only plan their life out every 15 mintues.

    This maybe why George was right about the pin stripe pants Casey was wearing, but got it wrong about what Caylee was wearing because he never saw her on the 16th. And maybe Cindy did “hear them sleeping” or at least she saw the pontiac was home.

    It drives me crazy Caylee never had anyone that loved her deeply. I have wondered why these people did not care for her, 3 adults in the home and this baby is brutally murdered. No one in that family protected Caylee. When LP bailed Casey out I thought he was no better … but now with all the information received because of this I can’t help but feel some gratitude.

    Thanks for this amazing thread and sorry it took so long to find you and weigh in.

  49. itsamysterytome permalink*
    May 23, 2011 10:02 pm


    This is an old thread, but I’m glad you found it! I don’t know if George and Cindy lied in the beginning or not. I tend to think George did not see Caylee and Casey the morning of the 16th. I don’t know why he lied but I think he did. I do not think he or Cindy had anything to do with Caylee’s murder. I also don’t think Caylee’s death was an accident. I think Casey had it all planned out. I agree that something happened that threw Casey over the edge and made her follow through with her plan, maybe more quickly than she wanted, hence the sloppiness. Latest post here:

  50. susanmichele permalink
    June 2, 2011 11:45 pm

    I am new to this post… you all have made some good points. I have a few…

    1. Casey and her mom got in a huge fight over the stolen money.
    2 Casey took Caylee and stormed out.
    3. Casey wanted Caylee to sleep and she was out of xanex and so she used chloroform. There was chloroform search found on the home pc. She may have had it ready to use for the next time she needed it.
    4. She accidentally murdered her. Yes I said murdered because I consider an accident to be along the lines of an auto accident or something. She may not have intentionally killed her but she did.
    5. Casey was jealous of all the attention Caylee got from George and Cindy. Casey wasn’t their “little girl” anymore.
    6.Casey is narcissistic and therefore care about no one except herself.
    7.She put her in the trunk of the car.
    8. At a later time and after the body started to decompose she put the duct tape on with the heart. The reports stated that the tape was put on after the body started to decompose.
    9. She put her in a laundry bag and plastic bag and disposed her where she used to bury her stickered pets and where she used to play as a child.
    10.Once George and Cindy realized Caylee was missing and for 31 days, the smell in the car I think they went into a freaked out denial stage.
    11. I think they are pretty straight forward on the stand and realize now that their daughter has mental problems. They will tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Down deep they want justice for Caylee too. They just wish it wasn’t their daughter that did it. After these molestation allegations I think Cindy and George are disgusted with her.

    Sorry for the long post… just my two cent..ok 10 cents… lol
    what are you thoughts?

  51. itsamysterytome permalink*
    June 3, 2011 7:04 am


    I agree with most of what you are saying with a few exceptions. I think Caylee was in the backyard in the beginning, possibly in the playhouse or sandbox (it had a lid) (hence the borrowing of the shovels and the hits by the cadaver dogs.)

    I have not read that the duct tape was put on the body after it was decomposing. I believe that the theory is that it was put on BEFORE Caylee died and that may well have been the cause of death–asphyxiation.

  52. Jane permalink
    June 3, 2011 2:32 pm

    Since the trial started, I have been searching for information on the state’s specific theory on how and when Caylee died. The state did not explain in opening statement and it is not clear after over 1 week of trial. The state has lost sight of what the jury needs to hear. I have no doubt Casey is guilty, but the state must prove their case.

  53. Rosanna Kelley permalink
    June 3, 2011 5:17 pm

    I am also new to this website. I have been following the trial since day one. During the jail house tapes with her family, Casey never mentioned or even hinted to them that she was still so bitterly angry over the incest which transpired between her father and herself. If it were me, and I was acting out on this particular type of hurt or anger, I would not have thought twice to throw it in their faces. Casey may be a liar, but she’s also very outgoing and seemed to have lots of friends. How come she never told anyone she had been abused? How come she never told anyone she was suffering from nightmares about sexual abuse? I don’t care how much you compartmentalize issues, your sub conscious still retains it and still brings it up. She remained silent for 13 years, until it became a convenient lie, in order to blame it on for what she had done. If the baby had died in the pool as indicated by the defense team, why the cherade? If the parents were truly in on it I believe they would have handled it a different way. Sure it’s horrible to lose a child to drowning, but it happens all the time. I’d rather be charged with child neglect than first degree murder. If she’s found guilty, I hope she gets life in prison without parole. Let her sit in a tiny cell, fearing for her own life from the other inmates. Let her sit there and rot till she drops dead of old age. This would be justice for her, death would just put her out of her misery. I hope the prosecution nails her good.

  54. itsamysterytome permalink*
    June 4, 2011 1:38 pm


    The Prosecution has methodically been peeling the onion one layer at a time and are doing it very effectively, IMO. They first had to lay the foundation and build from there.

    A few things they’ve missed the boat on: Searches on her computer about chloroform, neck breaking and killing someone with household items. They have not brought in the neighbor who said he/she heard Casey and Cindy fighting the night of the 15th. (Cindy has denied she and Casey fought that evening), and Tony saying that he told Casey he only wanted to have sons. They haven’t brought up the tattoo either. Maybe these things will be brought in later.

    The videos and phone calls of Casey and her family after she was arrested, and the tape at Universal with detectives this week were heavy blows to the defense.

  55. itsamysterytome permalink*
    June 4, 2011 1:46 pm


    I don’t think the defense theory of incest and George covering stuff up will fly at all especially since the videotapes from the jail have been played. Casey fell all over herself telling her dad how great of a father and grandfather he is. George gave absolutely no indication that he knew what happened to Caylee and in fact appeared to be trying desperately to get Casey to tell the truth. And I’m sorry, but an incest victim would not allow her father to be around her child and would certainly not murder her own child. No expert can convince me of that one.

    All that aside, Casey Anthony is a textbook sociopath. She would never in a million years sit in jail and cover up for anyone. She would have been shouting what happened from the rooftop when she realized she was stuck in jail while George was eating chili with a houseful of people. (remember how upset she appeared when she found out Cindy made chili on Caylee’s birthday?)

    Nope, she’s no martyr–she would have told her version of the truth that George did it long ago, and Baez could not have stopped her.

  56. shirley permalink
    June 4, 2011 8:32 pm

    I just noticed this thread too. Glad it has been revived. It is very interesting to see what people’s thoughts were back in 2009.
    I am a LP fan. I wonder if he will be silent now that the Anthony’s have had the cease and desist slapped on him. Hope not.
    I think that Casey killed her by accident,gave her something to keep her quiet, and she did not wake up. I think that George had nothing to do with it.And yes, I am sure they did leave on the 15th after the fight. It must have happened that same night. I can see the Anthony’s trying to whitewash the situation and trying to portray that there were the perfect family, and Caylee and Casey left as normal on the 16th, after all cindy heard !them sleeping

    I think that Lee is creepy, and if anybody tried to molest her, maybe he did.

    The other creepy person is that meter reader. Anyone heard anything about him lately.
    Is there a chance that he actually did it?

    I like Lenny, too. He is an entertainer. I saw him on either NG or JVM the other night and he was still talking, so I guess he isn’t paying much attention to the cease and desist.

    I agree with you on everything except I’m not sure I think it was an accident.

    I don’t believe for a second that the meter reader found Caylee, hid her body, and then conveniently placed her a short distance from her home, and “found” her again. How do you explain the smell in Casey’s car?

  57. Mari permalink
    June 4, 2011 10:57 pm

    I heard today that the Anthony’s lawyer had served LP with a “cease and desist” order to shutup or he will be sued…anyone heard this?

    heard it, but apparently Lenny hasn’t cuz’ he’s still talking!:)

  58. Jesse Harris permalink
    June 5, 2011 3:16 am

    I just found this site this evening. I also heard that LP was served a “cease and desist” order which doesn’t make sense to me since the jury is sequestered. I believe he’s been trying to tell the truth all along, but people weren’t really listening.
    I have been watching this since NG first reported on it, and the people here are very intelligent and think things through! I am very impressed at the great work I see on here!

    I think Lenny has been telling the truth as he sees it from the beginning as well, but I also think he’s not shy about drawing attention to himself. He’s an opportunist–lovable, but an opportunist. I think for the most part he has recounted what either he saw or heard or what his employee saw or heard with a little bit of his own opinions thrown in.

  59. Deborah Van Zanen permalink
    June 5, 2011 5:27 am

    In Arizona, accidental child drownings happen quite often, and no parent, family member present, or caretaker is EVER charged, arrested or prosecuted for it! There is NO MOTIVE to ever hide the body of an accidental drowning victim! As a trained policeman, Geerge Anthony would have immediately started CPR and yelled to Casey to cal 911. He would have, instinctively, tried to revive her. Sometimes children have been underwater for a relatively long time, and have been revived. He wouldn’t have known how long she’d been underwater. Baez is a fool to have left all this out of his and/or Casey’s unbelievably stupid made up story about the pool. A trained police officer who loved his granddaughter, and Baez wants us to believe he never even began CPR, and then hid her body when he knows accidental drownings are tragedies, not crimes?? I can’t wait to hear Baez explain the even more idiotic idea that George Anthony would ever then duct tape Caylee’s mouth and head, and THEN place a heart shaped sticker over her mouth!! Only Casey would have done that.If Baez was going to go with accident, why not go with the only logical scenario? Casey stupidly thought Chloraforming her daughter was a safe way to put her to sleep, and it killed her. Casey would have got 3 to 5 years for negligent manslaughter. Casey’s obvious mental illness prevents her from ditching the amazingly inept Jose Baez for any competent, decent lawyer to save her life. She will probably be granted a second trial on appeal, her defense council being this atrocious. LP is always right on the money; he always sees through all the crap, and gets right to the bottom line, all through this case. He has the best analytical mind,with the most logical conclusions, of any commentator on this case. No wonder the “defense” wants him quiet. Keep talking, LP. You might help save this very sick girl’s life.

    I agree with you that the defenses’s theory is absolutely ridiculous and IMO impossible for them to prove. I will be very interested to know what in the world their explanation will be as to how Caylee’s body got in the car. And, like you, the thought that George put the tape on Caylee’s mouth and added a heart sticker is just ludicrous.

    If Casey told Baez this convoluted story and he bought it, then he’s dumber than I think he is.

    Actually, if Casey “accidentally” killed her daughter with chloroform, it would be considered aggravated child abuse that resulted in a death, and she could very well get the death penalty for that.

  60. shirley permalink
    June 5, 2011 10:26 am

    Jessie & Deborah -, I agree, LP has been trying to tell the truth all along. I actuallysent him an email yesterday, asking him if he will continue to speak up. Wish he would answer, but don’t expect him to. He probably gets thousands of emails. If he does answer, I will post it.

    So glad to have found some people who agree with me, he DOES have the best analytical mind in my opinion.

  61. Dhyan S permalink
    June 6, 2011 4:04 pm

    Thanks for the great thread. I’ve actually learned a lot by reading the early posts. I really like LP, he calls it like he sees it. Does anyone know exactly why he was served with Cease & Desist? I read that he is not subject to attorney-client privilege and didn’t have a contract with the Anthony’s, so on what basis do they expect to compel him to stop talking? I think he’s right on the money and has information very relevant to the prosecution. Question: Why doesn’t the prosecution give George A. a polygraph? That would put the question about abuse finally to rest. D

    He was ordered to cease and desist from discussing George, Cindy, or Lee.

    I think a polygraph is not admissible in a court of law.

  62. Deborah Van Zanen permalink
    June 6, 2011 4:08 pm

    P.S. If Caylee had drowned, she wouldn’t have bn in their pool anywhere near long enough to have begun the process of decomposition. Thus, the cadaver dogs would never have “hit” on the pool, which they did. Casey had to have brought an already dead Caylee, who had to have died the night before( the 15th) , back to the house when she knew her parents were at work. As LP has long ago concluded, Casey frantically searched for a way to cover up how she really died. She had to have carried her to the pool, put her in it, then decided against that, either before or after she borrowed the shovel to bury her, then ditched that idea. She must have noticed that Cindy had removed the ladder to the pool, and would remember that, which ruled out a drowning cover-up scenario. Freshly dug graves are always detected; so much for trying to blame a family member for that one! I believe she THEN formulated the kidnapping scenario, duct taping her right then and there, to make it look like the kidnapper tried to keep Caylee quiet. She then double-bagged her, put her back in her car trunk, and at some point when she felt unobserved, put her up the street in the “pet cemetary”, where she was later found. She put her there in case the kidnapping Zanny the Nanny story didn’t fly, she could conveniently, with the close proximity to the Anthony home, blame a family member, which “lawyer” Baez so stupidly decided to do. The simple truth of accidental chloroform OD would save his client’s life! Maybe he just couldn’t talk Casey into admitting that is what obviously happened. Accusing her father of molestation to explain her mental illness is the pits, and so obviously untrue .The truth might not have set her free, but had she told it, she wouldn’t be facing Murder One or the death penalty. Baez should have used her mental illness to save her life, without trying to destroy her father and putting her parents through any more hell. This is a travesty, and Baez will go down as the most incompetent lawyer walking.

    The cadaver dog didn’t hit on the pool,he hit near the playhouse. If Casey chloroformed Caylee and she died from an overdose, Casey would have been charged with aggravated child abuse that resulted in death. She could get the death penalty or life in prison for that. If she drowned and covered it up, she might well have gotten off with a few years.

    I believe Casey did not want to go with the mental illness defense. She is a sociopath, and our courts do not recognize that particular malady as a mental illness.

  63. Carly P. permalink
    June 6, 2011 8:37 pm

    I have followed this case closely. One question keeps coming back to my mind. If Caylee was in the pool for only a couple of hours wouldn’t she have been at the bottom? That means George would have had to get into the pool and then climb out with her. But according to Jose, George goes one way in the yard, Casey goes another, rounds a corner and there stands George holding drowned Caylee. I’m still puzzled about the first location of the body as well. I don’t think she was in the yard because there was too much of a chance of someone stumbling across her body. I think she may have been in that Blanchard Park for a couple of days and then Casey went back, put her in the trunk and dumped near the house when the smell was too much to take, and then ditched the car. I believe LP. He has a whole career at stake, why lie about people who do enough lying of their own?

    I think Casey had Caylee in the yard–maybe hidden in the covered sandbox or just laying on the ground while she attempted to dig a hole to bury her. (The day she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor) and that is why the cadaver dog hit near the playhouse and sandbox. I agree with you to a point about Lenny–I think he stretched the truth and put out several “theories” as fact.

  64. Dhyan S permalink
    June 7, 2011 11:00 am

    Again, why doesn’t George Anthony take a polygraph and put to rest the whole abuse issue?

    I answered you above Dhyan. A polygraph is not admissible in a court of law.

  65. itsamysterytome permalink*
    June 7, 2011 5:20 pm


    Responded to your comments within the comment boxes!

  66. June 8, 2011 8:00 pm

    in 2008 Cindy noticed the ladder had been moved. What day was that?
    1. Casey made the comment that Zenaida took Caylee to teach her a lesson. There is no Zenaida. She took Caylee to teach Cindy a lesson.
    2. MISSING 31 DAYS. (Died) Cant be….. 30 days from the last time Cindy saw Caylee alive. 29 days from the last time George CLAIMED he saw Casey and Caylee. As Lee pointed out, why did she say 31 days and not a month. I believe that Casey added a day instead of subtracting so as not to show Caylee missing/died the night of the argument with Cindy = Caylee drowned June 15th?
    3. Maybe because I’m a spiteful btch….TRUE
    4. You guys have been the greatest grandparents she’s ever HAD…and still has (oops) something like that
    5. I can feel her she’s close…
    6. Maybe I am an unfit mother….(But she will be damned if Cindy would get custody of Caylee.)
    What was Caylee wearing when her body was found or ACCIDENTALLY drowned? Pajamas, regular clothing or a bathing suit?? I know it was not a bathing suit.
    My problem now is why would Baez claim she accidentally drowned, then say that George knew and helped hide the body? Accidents happen….Why would Kronk find the body and hold it or move it? He would have gotten the ransom for finding it anyway. Has anyone investigated to make sure he is a lawyer and where did he get his license? I want one.

  67. shirley permalink
    June 11, 2011 4:51 pm

    I saw Leonard P on TV the other day. Guess he is ignoring the Cease and Desist. Good for him.

  68. Hunter permalink
    June 11, 2011 6:05 pm

    Wonderful blog! Everyone makes so much sense and has done their homework. I am inclined to believe that Casey left the night of the fight, and purposely killed Caylee that night to exact revenge on her mother, the ultimate revenge. She toyed with ideas of where to bury her in the backyard (hence the cadaver dogs hits) on the 16th, and maybe even left her back there for a couple days (hence the borrowing of the shovel on the 18th). The flurry of calls on the 16th was to locate her mother to make sure she wouldn’t be caught trying to dispose of the body, worrying that Cindy could come home early from work. Then she gave up and threw Caylee in the trunk again. She tossed her body in the woods when the smell got to be too much, then abandoned the car.
    I love Leonard Padilla! I have always thought he pretty much hit the nail on the head right off the bat when he sized up Casey. I hate it when people make fun of him and his persistence on his theories of what happened because even if he’s not 100% correct, he’s very close. Keep it up Lenny!
    P.S. I live in Sacramento too!

  69. Shoshanna permalink
    June 11, 2011 7:45 pm

    It seems very odd to me that no mention has been made of the fight that Cindy and Casey allegedly had on June 15th. Given Cindy’s new, forthcoming attitude (which dates back to “6 weeks ago” when she and George found out what the defense was going to claim in court), I’m wondering if the prosecution struck some sort of deal with her – namely, that they won’t bring up the fight which precipitated Casey’s leaving the house and may have sent her over the edge, resulting in Caylee’s death, in exchange for having Cindy give testimony about everything else.

    If it’s true, as many people believe, that Casey left the house on June 15th and that George did not actually see her on the 16th, I think that lie was concocted by George and Cindy together, to protect Cindy. What do you all think about that?

  70. niftyrosa1 permalink
    June 11, 2011 8:12 pm

    George could have seen Casey on the 16th and just assumed Caylee was with her. Anyone know when Cindy said she noticed the ladder had been moved?

  71. niftyrosa1 permalink
    June 11, 2011 8:16 pm

    to SHOSHANNA: I’m hoping it’s going to be brought up soon…I bet it started sometime after Cindy and Caylee got out of the pool on the 15th.

  72. shirley permalink
    June 11, 2011 11:52 pm

    I am still inclined to think Caylee died by accident, and not in the swimming pool, I really think Casey gave her something to knock her out, for a couple of hours, and she gave her too much.. It is hard to say, she was very angry with her mother after the fight on the 15th, who knows what she is capable of.

    Hunter, what you are saying does make a lot of sense, and Shoshanna, that is an interesting thought too. It is a bit strange that the fight was not mentioned.

    LP said that Cindy was actually trying to choke Casey. during the fight., so it must have been pretty bad
    . Not your usual mother daughter evening activity.

  73. niftyrosa1 permalink
    June 12, 2011 2:13 am

    Cindy noticed the ladder had been moved when she came home from work on June 16th. ok now I have another queston. The shirt that Caylee was wearing, how can I find it on the net or the manufacturer. Is it a regular shirt or could it be part of a pajama set?

  74. MJD permalink
    June 12, 2011 7:23 am

    Yesterday the defense made a big deal out of the fact that no roll of duct tape was found in the home or garage when the search warrant was executed in December, so they can’t link Casey to the duct tape. The only duct tape was on the gas cans, which George admitted to putting there. The defense said in opening statements, “Follow the duct tape.” Well, there are photos of George during the summer putting up posters of missing Caylee and the roll of duct tape with the Henkel imprint is in the picture. The duct tape was in the garage when Casey used it on Caley, and then George used up the roll that summer to put up posters, so naturally it wasn’t found in December.

  75. Shoshanna permalink
    June 12, 2011 7:31 am

    The other night, Dr. Drew mentioned that he’d spoken to George’s ex-wife (didn’t know he had one!) who said that George was a good man but has always had a lying problem. Then I recalled reading that he secretly had dealings with a Nigerian scammer and actually lost about $30,000, not too long before all this happened. Afterwards, he was so embarrassed that he lied to Cindy and told her he lost the money by gambling.

    So it seems entirely possible that George “owed” Cindy in that way and would go along with her by saying that he saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th, to protect Cindy. Cindy’s feelings of guilt about that fight she had with Casey must be overwhelming, especially if that’s what caused Casey to kill Caylee.

    With the ANthony family, it’s impossible to tell who’s lying and who’s not, at any given moment. That’s what makes this case so hard to decipher!

  76. shirley permalink
    June 12, 2011 6:28 pm

    I agree lying seems to run in the family

    I find Dr Drew a bit annoying, he is doing all this ayalysis, but has not followed the case from the beginning.

    For one thing he keeps saying that Zanny actully stands for Xanex. (or could stand for Xanex) Sorry, I am not up on the spelling of drugs(, pronounced ZANEX.)

    well as far as I know she got Zanny’s name from a visitors list at the Sawgrass apartments, where she and a real Zanaida had been looking at apartments at about the same time back in the spring or early summer of 2008.

    There was a lady with that same name who had visited there at that time, and I am sure she really wishes she had never gone near the place! Wonder if she will end up on the stand.

  77. June 24, 2011 4:53 pm

    I believe Cindy Anthony claimed she was checking the computer instead of Casey because maybe she WAS! Caylie was smart and had become very vocal. Maybe she told Cindy she was being given “sleepy” medicine and it sounded like Chloroform and somedays it was hard for her to wake up, after a night out with Casey. Cindy said she was checking the computer because her puppies were always sleepy…when aren’t puppies sleepy? I think she was trying to find out something about Caylie.
    Thanks for letting me put in my thoughts.

  78. Shoshanna permalink
    June 24, 2011 5:51 pm

    Dene – I posted the following last night on FB:

    Hey – I just had a crazy thought. Is it possible that Cindy searched her computer for chloroform, acetone, peroxide, etc., NOT because her dogs were getting sleepy all the time but because CAYLEE was??

  79. nymphsnecessitys permalink
    June 25, 2011 8:56 pm

    who knows about Padilla? is he part native american? I have only seen him one or two times on the tv but do not know much about him…the one person in all this who is part native american speak the truth of what happened…I do not doubt the grief of the grandparents but think they have both told at least a few lies…it is in their body language..I do not believe the brother lied in his testimony but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know the truth.

  80. Bill Vardiman permalink
    June 29, 2011 11:37 pm

    I believe there may be a straight forward explanation about the cover story about George seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th. If the fight led quickly to the death of Caylee then the Anthony’s would try to confuse the issue so that people would not figure that out, thus the story by George that he say both totmom and tot the next day. That’s why they went to so much effort to break up any connection between the fight and the death of Caylee. After all, there were witnesses to the fight. Any probing of the facts would reveal the choking of little Caylee and ruin all the stories of accidental death etc.

  81. Bill Vardiman permalink
    June 29, 2011 11:54 pm

    I also believe it’s possible that only Lee or possibly no one else saw the actual taking of Caylee’s life by Casey. That may explain the attempted burying of the body in the yard and the body in the back of the car. Casey didn’t want anybody to know what she had done. Cindy and or George finally figured it out or found out and at some point decided that they would rather not see their daughter and grand daughter both gone so they concocted stories to try to save Casey, something most parents would probably try. They still love her, something she may have never felt for Caylee.

  82. Linda Estes permalink
    July 1, 2011 5:46 pm

    Has anyone noticed that when Casey and Cindy lie, they both give such detail. Like mother like daughter. This isn’t the first time that Cindy has lied under oath.

  83. July 5, 2011 11:07 am

    Leonard Pedilla is an idiot. He took this case because it is a high profile case and it can get HIS face out in the public eye. He goes on any show that will have him weather its a news channel or a pod cast. He goes on TV saying what has already been said or whatever is obvious, like he was the one that thought of it. Leonard is no detective and is no Dog Chapman, He wants to build his career at the expense of a 3 year old dead little girl. Go back to Cali Padilla and work on those DUI skips and leave the police work to the real cops.

  84. Lynn Johnson permalink
    July 6, 2011 12:03 pm

    Had the prosecution called LP to testify, brought up the stealing and the fight with Cindy, showed the jailhouse tapes of Casey’s temper tantroms, there may have been a different outcome in this trial.

    I bet Casey had a temper tantrum after the fight with her mom and attacked Caylee rendering her dead(a total fit of rage)ran around after her parents went to work trying to figure out what to do with the body, using the duct tape etc.trying to make it look like a kidnapping. She couldn’t get things right so put the body in the trunk and went to her boyfriend’s, staying over.Possibly blaming her mother for everything and in her mind thinking nothing was her fault.
    I’ve been a fan of Leonard Petilla from the beginning. I agree with his latest coment that Jeff Ashton blew it by openly laughing while Biez was doing his closing. It made him look like a phony (no respect)It took away all his credability for me.

    just found this site this morning and have been so frustrared about this case. It’s really helped to put a lot of things into perspective.

  85. Lynn Johnson permalink
    July 6, 2011 12:35 pm

    I hope LP gets his own T.V. show. To hear his comments on other crimes would interest me greatly. A reality show showing him in action in his own surroundings with family and friends.
    I would prefer this to any other reality show

  86. July 16, 2011 12:07 pm

    Its a gut feeling That this poor baby Caylee Marie, die in the hands of both Cindy & Casey On June 15th of 08.. during that fight.. Cindy IMO was way to mad to think of any dam ladder. when Casey came home.. if that is, ” what happened”!!!.. Cuz if George never said he saw Caylee leave the day after.. while watching Tyler Florance.. The last person to be seen with this baby is CINDY.. we have seen first hand how Cindy can lie like a dog an know its how Casey learn its ok to lie.. George being an ex cop/ det. Casey learned how to at a young age ,stand up an lie to a cop.. My God My Lord ,If Cindy expected her daughter to take an ultimate fall which she did and fight for her life , when Cindy is just as much to blame.How low is Cindy?.
    See Look at this threw an ex cons eyes..
    If They Called ME’s or Le’s both would have gone to jail for Child neglect .. Two adults fighting while a baby was floating dead in a pool in the backyard.. It was said neighbors heard them running around the back yard… If again Le’s were called Cindy would have gone to jail for attempt on Casey Life.. Trying to choke her to death…

    Look at Darie Routier.. she made to best fake crying phone call of her life time…

    There as so many women threw out this USA that are locked up in the system that didn’t beat the system , Like Cindy an Casey did.. They had a daddy ex cop..

    do I believe that Cindy is a candy ass.. letting her daughter be called a baby killer an her
    husband be called a Child molester.. Just to cover her own self.. this is also where Casey learned to be self centered.. Her Mother…

  87. shirley permalink
    July 16, 2011 1:27 pm

    I aways thought that Casey left with Caylee on the night on the 15th, after the fight.

    Not so sure they were there on the 16th at all, as George claims.

    They all lie like sidewalks, but I think Casey either committed the murder, or more likely it was accidental, by an OD of something to make her sleep. The sr Anthonys were not good parents, they created a monster in Casey, But I cannot see either one of them having anything to do with Caylee’s death, accidental or otherwise.

    On the other hand Diane, you have a couple of very good points. The first one about Cindy being too mad to think about any ladder. If she had not taken it down right away, then that is true, I could have been up.

    I think Cindy said it was taken down, and then later on she said it was left up, so i am not too sure what to think about that. You also said the neighbors heard them running aroun the back yard, Have you ever heard what it was they were saying?

  88. July 16, 2011 5:46 pm

    No I never heard what the neighbors said , other then The Anthony’s fought all the time.. When hearing Rob Dick an Tracy talk about being in that house an Cindy standing in between anyone, even George wanting to talk with Casey, Cindy would tel them to leave her alone.. If she was so guilty why not slam her to the wall with, where is my granddaughter instead of wet nursing her.. Somewhere in the gray area , it sinks to high hell yes Casey did act abnormal but has anyone thought maybe she was playing the roll .. How do we know she didn’t take that baby to lee’s ? They lost control of her in that 31 days … why wasn’t Cindy hell bent on finding Casey Prior to June 15Th, when she new what kind of people Casey was with?
    It was Cindy that wrapps her pet in Bags an duct tapes them …That kind of threw me off hearing that out of her.. It was Cindy who lie about the fight…if she was going to take that poor baby June 15 would have been a good day to start.. To whom I am talking to Its, A gut feeling ok People Like Cindy an Casey are a dime a dozen in the system

  89. July 16, 2011 6:08 pm

    I believe Caylee did drown in that pool , just as Baez said ( what George did) It was Cindy running around with Casey looking for that baby.. To add about the neighbors If Cops came an caylee gone , dead, Those cops would have Search that neighborhood wanting to know who heard what , other then that its , hear say Lee told Jesse that would have been hear say.. Cindy an Casey try throwing Jesse under the bus.. so LE wouldn’t look at them.. HOW DARE CINDY A MOTHER, DO THAT TO A KID THAT HAD A hopeful CAREER.. Why would she do that to this kid, cause he stood up to her a few yr prior???!!!! Casey lies cause cindy lets her lie… Its just a gut feeling…

  90. July 16, 2011 7:23 pm

    One more question you need to ask your self, Cindy Hired Baez PI.. and told them where to look an what to look for.. How did Cindy Know where to look an what to look for? You watched in that video , they where looking for black trash bags…Physic My butt…
    and one more , Casey losing a cell phone then buying another, an the family keeping several Cell phones , 1) How did Cindy know to call that new number 2) why so many Cell Phones…
    Don’t ever get me wrong I feel Casey deserved 31 yrs to life, But I also think that Whole family NEW and Slapped prosecution in the face… A case that snow balled out of Control… CMA I MISS YOU <CMA I LOVE YOU< CMA I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!

  91. February 6, 2012 8:48 am

    Reblogged this on beckyharahuc and commented:
    Who cares about the ANTHONY’S that is someone else’s life….focus on your own you miserable freaks.

  92. Sally permalink
    February 9, 2012 7:02 pm

    Hi there Becky, looks like no one has bothered about it since last JULY

  93. ritainnj permalink
    February 16, 2012 11:05 pm

    Did George have anything to do with the death/disposal of Caylee?

    3 items of evidence that tie CASEY to the crime/disposal of Caylee,

    1. HER TRUNK>Proven human decomp and Caylee’s corpse in her trunk. George/ Cindy did not have knowledge where that car was those 31 days. No one other than Casey was in her Pontiac in the 11 days out of 31 days as testified by many witnesses at trial.
    George did see her and the car for about 10 minutes on 6/24/08 with the gas cans encounter, but KC speedily brushed off before Dad could get close to her trunk. On the 23rd when she and her boyfriend broke in to steal the gas cans from the shed, she would not let Tony near that trunk and declined his offer to fill up the tank for her.

    2. CLOTHING/BLANKET CAYLEE WAS FOUND WITH> Casey kept that particular shirt and shorts as well as the blanket in her backpack in her trunk. Cindy testified she had never seen that shirt or short until at picture of Caylee wearing it at Ricardo’s apt.”Big trouble comes in small packages” was discovered after Casey was arrested.
    The “Winnie the Pooh” blanket had been missing from the house since May as testified by Cindy.

    3. LOCATION> where she placed Caylee in triple bags and canvas bag and duct tape. Kiomarie had long stated that the wooded area near the Hidden Oak school was a secret hideout place that KC was familiar with as a teenager and as a pet burial place.
    George would not have placed Caylee so close to the home and unburied, he was NOT familiar with this “teenage” secret hangout place.

    EXTRA ITEM: MOTIVE> There certainly was a motive for CASEY proven> her life style after Caylee’s death for those 31 days!.but no motive was ever offered as to why George would have hidden and disposed of his grandaughter after an accidental drowning!

    This was all been proven at trial except for #3> the familiarity of the location.
    Prosecution failed to list these 3 unrefutable pieces of evidence that prove it was CASEY and CASEY alone who did this.

  94. January 6, 2013 7:50 pm

    update : With the new computer evidence discovered, we all know that Casey was indeed home on 6/16/08 and did not leave the night before..The new computer results indicate she was on the home computer as early as 7:53 a.m. practically all day in the Anthony’s home (with about 2 hours break, about the time frame she pretended to leave with Caylee).

    We also know the cause of death for Caylee, as the search that Casey conducted on the desktop at 2:51:04 p.m. “fool-proof suffication” . Fool-proof mispelled exactly as Casey had in a text to Amy on 5/12/08.
    George and Cindy were both at work at this time,as documented on their work records.
    What in the world was Casey thinking when she googled that term on the same day that Caylee died (defense and prosecution agreed to this date of death) ?
    Wonder if this is the “key” evidence that juror #3 and juror#4 were waiting for to convict her.

  95. Sally permalink
    January 6, 2013 8:19 pm

    wow, nice to see a post on this thread, after all this time. I don’t have anything to add, but I must say the prosecution dropped the ball. You may be right about jurors 3 and 4 Rita.

  96. January 6, 2013 10:39 pm

    I say Move on .. its over and there is nothing anyone one can do…we all get our up comings and that family will get there…plain and Simple…Caylee is Happy where she is… and no one will ever hurt her again…

  97. January 7, 2013 11:08 am

    The detectives did NOT conduct the “thorough” investigation required for this mysteriously, convoluted case. The erroneous 84 searches of chloroform, the absolutely absurdity of Officer Cain in failing to take the Aug. 11 tip from Kronk(3x) to its end.
    Failure of detectives to conduct a phone rec history of George as they did for Casey would have debunked the suspicions on George.
    Well, the mystery has been solved now.

  98. Sally permalink
    January 7, 2013 11:27 am


  99. Susan Berlin permalink
    January 7, 2013 12:30 pm

    If Casey left the house with Caylee the night of the argument and George lied, saying she left the following day, what purpose would that lie serve? I believe she left that night, but I don’t quite get why he lied about it (if he did).

  100. January 7, 2013 2:29 pm

    There is no evidence to even suggest Casey left on night of june 15th based on her phone pings and newly revealed home computer usage with Casey’s protected account,
    Casey was on her parents home computer as early as 7:53 A.M. and did not leave until approx. 4:25 p.m towards Tony’s abode.

    If George lied( evidence indicates he did not), it was to protect Casey and Cindy to make it look like everything was an “ordinary” normal day and to weaken the motive for the murder. The reason he knew exactly what Caylee wore is that he copied Casey’s original statement to the police where SHE stated what Caylee was wearing in details. At that time, George was trying to protect Casey.
    George mimicked what she “remembered” Caylee wore and back pack ect. on that original written statement she told the officers on July 16th, 2008 after the 911 call from Cindy …google it, it’s all there.

  101. Susan Berlin permalink
    January 7, 2013 5:44 pm

    Thanks, Rita.


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