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Docu-dump in the Caylee Anthony case Sept 4, 2009

September 4, 2009

The docu-dump released to the defense earlier this week was made available to the media this morning.  This page will be updated through-out the day as the material becomes available.

slideshow of photos released 9/4/09

Right off the bat, in this first picture in the slideshow, doesn’t it look like Caylee has a black eye?  I know she has dark circles under her eyes, but this likes  more than a dark circle to me.

caylee with black eye two Caylee again

It’s disturbing to me in many of the later photos of Caylee, she seems to have a worried almost haunted look   to her.

She seems more serious than most two year olds.  Maybe I’m just reading that into this because we know what happened to her.

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Robert Dick interview LINK

The bounty hunters first met with the family in a warehouse type district in someone’s out of the way office.  Inside was Lee Cindy George, Leonard, Tony, Rob. No media were around. They met with Jose Baez the next day.  It was the 4 of them with Jose.  The Anthonys and Jose Baez wanted to make sure the bondsmen were just bailing her out and that they would not interview her. Padilla assured them they were there to bail her out and make sure nothing happened to Casey.

Contractural agreement:  They can’t interrogate her. Leonard said that doesn’t prevent her from talking to us does it?  And Jose said he wanted to be there if she chose to talk to them.

Detective: What was your original role?

Dick’s main role was to run security around the family and her.  Tracy was supposed to just be with Casey.  He ws supposed to be making sure Casey got to where she was supposed to be without something happening, as there were lots of threats to her and the bondsmen.  The family was getting death threats.

Detective: What did she say the first time she got into the vehicle with him?

Dick didn’t talk to her at all at that time. When they got to the house, Casey’s attitude really bothered him.  The whole thing was like a game to her.  A normal person doesn’t act like that.  The parents were emotional for her to come home.  Casey wasn’t emotional at all.

Detective: Did Jose change the guidelines or the rules where Casey was concerned?

Yes.  After they were in the house there would be no talking to her and they were not to be alone with her, period.  they could be with her only when a family member or Baez was present.  Even then,  he didn’t want Leonard or Rob in the house at all–only Tracy.  He was worried she might talk to them.

Detective: What was her demeanor like that first night?

Dick: Like a happy go lucky person.

Detective: Was she a grieving mother?

Dick: “Not at all.  Nothing about Caylee at all.”

Rob Dick felt he caught Lee in a major lie and he didn’t want anything else to do with him.  He felt Lee was hindering the investigation.

Rob said he thinks Lee either has some involvement or knows a lot more than he’s telling.

Lee lied about Casey’s reaction to finding out there was human decomposition in the trunk of her car.  He said to Rob Dick that she was horribly upset–they almost had to call 911 she was so stressed.  Tracy told Rob the exact opposite. Casey wasn’t upset at all. She said very casually that there were a lot of people that had access to her car–including Jesse Grund.

“Eric Baker” is who George said was the father of Caylee.

Detective: What did Casey say about her brother, Lee?

Dick: She said the main person she trusted was Lee, and he knows everything I know.

Rob said Casey told him, “They (LE) haven’t even found the clothes she (Caylee) was wearing.”

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Leonard Padilla interview in FULL  LINK

Not much new on this one.  Good ole Lenny pretty much spilled his guts on Nancy Grace and other news shows.  It is an interesting listen though!

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Dominic Casey video LINK

D. Casey is obviously looking for something specific in this video.  Pavers have something to do with what he’s looking for.

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Kronk’s call to dispatch LINK

Kronk says, “I just found a human skull.  It’s a human skull with duct tape across the mouth. ..I told you.  I told you, Ray.  I told you she was there.”

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Cindy in a meeting with Matt (detective)  interview LINK

Cindy complains about Yuri Melich.  Calls him narrow minded, and says he lectures her about Casey. She said she realizes Casey lied, but until someone brings her proof beyond a reasonable doubt, she will continue to believe Caylee is alive.

She doesn’t trust Yuri and read through the transcripts of his questioning of Casey.  He didn’t ask her questions.  He told her stories.  He gave her scenarios and wanted her to explain “stuff”.

She was told an Amber Alert would be put out that first night.  They Anthonys watched television all the next day, and there was no Amber Alert.  Later, police  told them that Caylee didn’t qualify for an Amber Alert.  She felt Yuri had pre-determined that Casey did it at that point.

Cindy: “Casey hasn’t had a fair shake.”

Matt: “Cindy. My concern is Caylee.”

Cindy: “Oh mine is too, but…….blah blah Casey blah blah Casey blah blah Casey blah…………………..blah

Then, you can’t really understand what Cindy is blah blah blahing about as she and the detective apparently get out of the car and start walking.  There is a lot of background noise.

They go into a restaurant and sit down. There’s still a lot of background noise.  And she’s still complaining about Yuri.

Then she starts complaining about John, another detective.  Apparently, he lectures her about Casey, too.

Matt says again the focus should be on Caylee, not Casey.  He says there are reasons John and Yuri are doing what they are doing.  They are trying to get at the truth–not make Cindy mad.  Cindy says, “I know!” and goes back to talking about the way Yuri and John are treating her about Casey.  She then says because of the way they are treating her, she won’t take the polygraph, and she doesn’t have to.

Cindy no longer believes in “the system”.

Cindy said she would still have called 911 knowing what she knows today. She defends Casey saying she had plenty of opportunity to run.

Matt: “Were getting hung up in the little things that in the big scheme of things aren’t gonna be worthwhile.”  Cindy just blows right over that statement and continues to complain about Yuri.

Cindy says she’s in the “reality” thing–we have to move forward.  She and Lee were “there” on Saturday, but George isn’t. He’s struggling the hardest. It’s going to take him longer. (Whatever that means???? I always thought George was the one dealing in reality and Cindy wasn’t.)

One of the attorneys asked about “limited use immunity” for Casey. Matt said they talked to Baez and told him if she’s panicked and is afraid to say, she needs to get on the right side of the curb with this–whether it was the pool or whatever the circumstances.  But, “If they wait til we find Caylee it’s not gonna look good.”

Cindy says if there was an accident she believes Casey would cry out to them for help.  If Caylee even skins her knee, Casey calls Cindy. Cindy thinks she wouldn’t do that to her family if it was an accident.  If she was covering up for someone—she didn’t know if she would do that.

Jose Baez insinuates to Cindy that Casey is innocent.  Cindy tells Matt, “She’s telling the truth.  I mean, the players are there…”

Cindy cries a little when talking about other children being found because of Caylee and how she is happy with that.

This tape is almost comical.  The detective can barely get a word in edgewise, and Cindy’s voice almost becomes hypnotic after awhile.  I think I might have actually nodded off, once!

The whole jest of this, is Cindy complaining about police. She goes on and on about Casey.  It’s striking how little Caylee is mentioned by Cindy.

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Tracy Mclaughlin interview in FULL LINK

key points from Tracy Mclaughlin interview.

1. Baez had Tracy sign something that said she couldn’t record anything but the rules changed later and it was not notarized and she had no copy of it.

2. When she was released from jail the first time, Casey didn’t say anything about Caylee.  She came into the house,  took a shower, talked about how people snuck her in stuff at the jail and how they loved her.   It was “like she’d gone to Iraq and just got home or something.  A real happy time.”  She didn’t seem upset at all.

3. The neighbor’s shovel was brought up.  Casey said “Hello!  They didn’t even have the timeline right!  I used the shovel to get the LADDER OUT OF THE POOL.” Cindy then told her to shut up, and later Tracy was told the shovel was about “cutting bamboo roots”.

4.  During visits to Jose’s office she spent a lot of time on the computer.  She wasn’t with Jose all day long.  She was supposedly looking for “clues” as to where Caylee was, but she never mentioned to Tracy what she might have “uncovered.”

5. When she found out there were signs of decomposition in her car, all she said was “A lot of people had access to that car.”  Then the next day,   “Jesse had a key to the car.” The attorney later tried to lead Padilla to believe Jesse could be to blame.  Tracy thinks that’s the way the defense will go–try to blame it on Jesse.

6.  They watched the tv show, “The Hills”. (a teenaged reality show) Tracy asked her if she knew about the date rape drug, and how if you take it you’re knocked out.  Casey said,yeah,  like ruffies, and Tracy said like ether, and Casey said LIKE CHLOROFORM.  THIS WAS BEFORE THE WHOLE ISSUE OF CHLOROFORM CAME UP. The chloroform news came out AFTER Tracy was long gone from the house.

7. Cindy had Tracy check out the chloroform site. (which was on Ricardo’s myspace. ) Tracy thought it was because she was trying to implicate Ricardo.

8. Cindy complained that the police weren’t looking for Caylee.  Tracy said, but NEITHER WAS ANYONE IN THE HOUSE LOOKING FOR CAYLEE.

One day Tracy was in another part of the house and  thought she heard Casey in the next room cry out while she was on the computer. Tracy was shocked because Casey hadn’t cried once since she’d been home.  She went in to where Caseywas and found she was laughing not crying– over a guy that contacted her on myspace that was good looking that wanted to hang out with her.

9. Cindy asked Tracy what she thought happened at one point.  Did Casey lose her at the mall or what?

10. Tracy heard George screaming one night at Casey. “Don’t f**king lie to me!  etc. etc Casey said, “No! You stop acting like a cop and act like my father for once in your life!” Casey then insisted that her dad leave.

Later, Tracy heard George say, “I can’t do it. I’m not going to live this lie,” to his friend Jim.  After their blow up earlier George wouldn’t go near Casey.

11.Casey said to Jose when they left the jail under the umbrella (that famous scene where Casey whispers in Jose’s ear) “Get me the f**k out of here.”

12. Casey said of a picture of Caylee, “This is my little ITALIAN.”  Tracy said I thought Caylee was hispanic (referring to Jesus Ortiz), and Casey said, “Does she LOOK Hispanic?” and later said Jesus Ortiz was not her dad.

Most notable:  Casey said very little about Caylee at all. She did not act like a grieving mother.  She acted very narcissistic.

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cinnamon muffins copy

As promised, here's your morning muffins! I'm sure Niecey made the coffee!

27 Comments leave one →
  1. Laura permalink
    September 4, 2009 8:56 am

    I thought she had a black eye too. Muffins look yummy!

  2. September 4, 2009 8:59 am

    *The black eye………That could be from the time tht she hit her eye on the coffee table at one of Caseys boyfriends house.

  3. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 4, 2009 9:00 am

    You’re right diana. Was that closer to her death or when she was younger? I can’t remember.

  4. September 4, 2009 9:11 am

    Hi *Mystery
    I think it was at Ricardos apt. so I think it was months before her death. Unless she stopped over after leaving Tonys for a little sumpin sumpin, as she was known to do on occasion.

  5. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 4, 2009 9:16 am

    This picture looks like one of her most recent, so I wonder if it is a new bruise?

  6. niecey456 permalink
    September 4, 2009 9:27 am

    There are fresh Lattes over there and a fresh pot of hot coffee as well. The muffins look yummy! Are they banana nut?

  7. niecey456 permalink
    September 4, 2009 9:55 am

    Either the media is really dropping the ball on this one, or this is a really good one. I can’t get the LP 1 audio to work and all they are all doing is editorializing. I wish they would let us analyze it for ourselves and then give their take.

    Those muffins really looked good but I can’t seem to guess it right. Hmmmmm………………

  8. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 4, 2009 9:57 am

    The name of these muffins are “Gone But Not Forgotten Muffins” They are named that because they are gone in a flash as they are so good, but their memory lingers for the same reason. I thought they were quite appropriate, because little Caylee is also gone but not forgotten.

  9. niecey456 permalink
    September 4, 2009 10:31 am

    They are wonderful! Very Good Job!!! And very appropriate that you made these for this occasion. You must post the recipe “Through The Garden Gate”.

  10. nancy permalink
    September 4, 2009 11:32 am

    Hi Mystery!

    I think you’re right, that picture makes me uneasy. What is also haunting is how Casey Anthony had such lack of interaction with Caylee when she would videotape her, it is spooky to look at those and listen to Caylee be frustrated when she asks questions and no one answers her, poor baby. When I would videotape my boys you can always hear me call their name or say something to get their attention. That bruise on Caylee is disturbing to me, I have seen a couple of pictures where the bruise is on the other eye in almost the same place of the face. By those videos KC took of Caylee tells me she acted different with Caylee when the Anthony’s weren’t around and put on a show for cindy and george so cindy wouldn’t kick her out, we all know KC’s a great little actress when she wants to be and showed her parents only what she wanted them to see. JMO

  11. nancy permalink
    September 4, 2009 11:33 am

    Oh, and those muffins look yummmmmy!!!

  12. Hilde permalink
    September 4, 2009 6:13 pm

    mystery~~ as always You are doing such a great Job to keep us all informed in this Case.
    Myself I will take a Break from the Anthony Case for a while since in my Opinion not much new has been revealed in those Document Dumps, most of that stuff we have already heard and really not much in this Case surprises me, I am pretty sure and I have been since the Beginning that Casey A. committed this Crime.
    It is just such a long drawn out legal Process that I had enough of it.
    Now I am just waiting for the Check Fraud Charges come to Trial, I like to see the Outcome of that, it should be a no brainer, they do have Videos catching her in the Act.
    Right now we just get Bits and Pieces of the Evidence pertaining to the Murder
    of Caylee A. The really damaging Evidence against Casey I would think will
    be presented by the Prosecution at the Trial, whenever that will start.
    Meanwhile I am following other Cases like the little 5 Yr. old Hassani Campbell
    and still Haleigh Cummins amongst so many other missing Children which sadly
    are still unsolved Cases. Almost every other Day there is another Child missing
    or murdered. So sad.
    All I am waiting for now in the Anthony Case is Justice for Caylee, it can’t come soon enough but I will be patient and wait as long as I know the Prosecution has a very good and solid Case against Caylee’s Murderer, the Evidence will show
    it is Casey Anthony who is responsible for this heinous Crime. JMHO

  13. Hilde permalink
    September 4, 2009 6:17 pm

    btw mystery~~ yes the Muffins look delicious, just a shame they are just cyber food
    they sure look inviting, You made me hungry now and I just ate 🙂

  14. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 4, 2009 7:41 pm

    Hi Hilde

    You are right. Most of the information we hear now is a repeat. I will say that the interview with Tracy McLaughlin is very revealing and so is the one with Rob Dick. They say a lot about Casey’s attitude and the atmosphere in the house. Casey’s attitude as attested to by all involved was that she was completely uncaring about Caylee and completely absorbed in herself. If you listen to anything, listen to the interview with Tracy.

    You are also right about all the other cases out there. So, so many. Just today they were talking about a little toddler wandering down the middle of a highway in her diaper clutching her baby doll. The mother was found in the bar…….
    There are so many people in this world that can’t have children, but would give anything to provide a happy home to a little one. It’s so unfair that these sleaze bags can pop precious little souls out right and left. They don’t deserve them. The babies don’t deserve it either.

    Wish I could send you some muffins, Hilde–they went quick! lol

  15. midget48 permalink
    September 4, 2009 7:44 pm

    cindy talking to what’s face released today. YAKITY YAK!! same ole, same ole CRAP. “What a waste. a HUGE waste”. why didn’t they clean up the video before releasing it??? one thing for certain, the ants. LOVE TO JACK THEIR JAWS AND SAY NOTHING OF VALUE! “WHAT A WASTE!

  16. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 4, 2009 8:01 pm

    midget–

    Yes, Cindy’s tape just about drove me over the edge. Can’t imagine how that detective was able to digest his lunch!

  17. nancy permalink
    September 4, 2009 9:41 pm

    Jill if you are out there, Mystery has done a great job of writting out a synopsis of the taped interviews. Thanks Mystery!!!!

    Don’t bother hearing Cindy Anthony’s interview, it’s just more of the same nauseating jibber jabber that Cindy is famous for and of course her shameless victim mentality toward KC. The sound on it is real bad too and you can barely make out anything they say.

    Have a great day!!!

  18. Jill from Western Australia permalink
    September 5, 2009 2:10 am

    Hiya my l♥velies…Great synopsis Mystery…I am reading everyones comments before looking at whats in the docodump. I have already made notes on things to pay attention to.

    I drooled all over the monitor whilst having cyber thoughties about the Gone But Not Forgotten Muffins…what a perfect name Mystery…I’m sure everyone including me is thinking about Caylee first and foremost as we learn more about her dispicable mother.

    Thanks for the tip Nancy…I will leave that one till I am totally desparate :mrgreen: Stay well and enjoy your weekend.

    Hugs ♥♥♥

  19. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 5, 2009 6:13 am

    nancy–

    thanks! I agree. Cindy’s will make you wanna drag your nails down a chalkboard. It’s GRATING!

  20. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 5, 2009 6:20 am

    Jill,

    Glad you enjoyed the muffins–I had saved one just for you!

    The standout thing in all the videos–NO ONE SEEMED TO BE ALL THAT INTERESTED IN CAYLEE. Casey was certainly only interested in herself. Cindy was only interested in Casey (and herself). As Leonard said in his–his people shed more tears than the entire Anthony family combined.

    If you decide to brave Cindy’s interview–the detective keeps trying to bring her back to focus on Caylee, but it was apparently impossible for her.

    UNBELIEVABLE! And for those of you that say “you can’t know how you would react under such horrible circumstances!” Well, I know how I WOULDN’T act–
    and I wouldn’t act the way they have. My entire reason for living–my entire being would be focused on finding my child. Period.

  21. Melanie permalink
    September 5, 2009 6:49 am

    Hi everyone. Ok, Casey is a horrible person, we know that. But I have to disagree from my own experience, that her shooting of videos without any interaction, is necessarily unusual or indifferent, or anything else. I say this because I have about 60 hrs on dvd of my son, from when he was a baby until about 8 years old. I tried very hard to capture him in his natural environment, without alerting him to the filming process because I didnt want him acting out. I just wanted to quietly “shoot” him busy doing his own sweet thing. Also, mostly when he was aware of me shooting he would come and stick his little face right into the lense or badger me about wanting to shoot too, and then usaully we would not have any great footage. Just a thought.

  22. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 5, 2009 7:22 am

    Melanie

    I would agree with you. We have hours of footage of our grandson doing his thing by himself as well. We do have quite a bit with him and his parents as my husband is the videographer–which means it’s rare to catch him on film. Apparently Casey was the main person filming in her family.

  23. niecey456 permalink
    September 5, 2009 12:18 pm

    Mystery, I sooooo agree with you!!! I agree about how you said you know how you wouldn’t act, me too. I find it really sad that Caylee’s whole family cannot seem to care, do not seem to care. I just feel like that baby didn’t have a chance.
    Wonderful Post today! You covered it so well, as usual. 🙂

    Oh Yeah, I don’t recommend the Cindy interview either, and I agree with how unnerving you said it was. I’m glad I got hers over first, but if I’d known that it was just nicer Cindy uncut, I wouldn’t have bothered. I read over at My Fox Orlando that there are 2 hearings next week. From My Fox Orlando:

    Two hearings next week in the Casey Anthony civil case:

    * September 8th at 10:00 a.m. Defendant’s Renewed Motion to Dismiss the Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint
    * September 9th at 3:15 p.m. Plaintiff’s Motion to Compel Geroge and Cindy Anthony to Answer

  24. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 5, 2009 8:04 pm

    Niecey, I almost could not make it through Cindy’s. How that poor detective managed to choke down his lunch is beyond me!!

    Thanks for the info on the hearings. Should be interesting!

  25. niecey456 permalink
    September 5, 2009 9:20 pm

    I know what you mean. I clinched my toes so much that one of my big toes has had a cramp ever since. LOL! I did notice the poor guy couldn’t wait to drop her off with reception when he got back. 🙂

  26. geeze permalink
    September 8, 2009 1:30 am

    I too saw that in the later photos of Caylee. Not just the appearance of dark circles but the change in the look in her eyes, as if suddenly, that childhood happiness was gone. It’s so sad 😦

  27. itsamysterytome permalink*
    September 8, 2009 11:38 am

    geeze–

    Something had definitely changed for that little girl. The light was gone from her eyes.

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